I’m the pp from 15:32. And I’m BIOPIC.

One fond memory from my college days was self-selection or segregation I guess, by Latin students. I’m not Latin, but had a friend who was. They self segregated based on language, economics (out of country at top private college so wealthy) and race/culture.

A group of students owned a house off campus, paid for by one of the dads. During those days I had access to the weekend parties— all Latin music and culture.

When I would see my friends on campus, they always sat together and spoke Spanish or Portuguese. But no one cared.

In my dorm were a few girls from Central America. They mainly did things with each other, roomed together, etc.

My friends from the Middle East. Same thing. They aggregated a bit more and had closer relations.

This is common, even today, and that was many moons ago.

I just tire of the narrative always being twisted as AA’s wanting segregation again because they don’t spend and won’t spend 200 percent of their time in college integrating. No other groups did.

It’s the double standard that is nauseating.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

Whites started segregation in the U.S.

At colleges too.

Don't forget this when discussing matters of socializing.

So we desegregated so that we could segregate by choice. Got it. So much progress.

Are you a POC? If not, you just may not understand, and that’s ok. Nobody is forcing them to segregate, unlike universities that simply did not accept POCs back in the day. Many choose to hang out with people that share similar upbringings and cultural practices. It just feels easier for them to be themselves, and it provides some comfort in a new place.

Don't all kids deserve this?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

In addition to pp comments regarding the very obvious 200 years of white colonization (and terrorization) of India, just take a hop over to the Political Discussion board and read the H1B thread. You will find extreme hatred and vitriol towards Indians there. My DH is from South India and it made me sick to my stomach to read the comments there.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious - are people still using words like BIPOC and micro aggressions? I live in a fairly red area and was under the impression these weren’t used anymore. Seems very 2024 college campus.

Some people still use latinx and zhe zher zhey

Yes, thanks. However the correct spelling is “Latinx,” or less commonly “LatinX.”

No one says that anymore. It was a cringy trend.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

Whites started segregation in the U.S.

At colleges too.

Don't forget this when discussing matters of socializing.

So we desegregated so that we could segregate by choice. Got it. So much progress.

Are you a POC? If not, you just may not understand, and that’s ok. Nobody is forcing them to segregate, unlike universities that simply did not accept POCs back in the day. Many choose to hang out with people that share similar upbringings and cultural practices. It just feels easier for them to be themselves, and it provides some comfort in a new place.

So weird this is not obvious. We're talking literal shared languages, among other things. Of course you can make friends with and study with students from all different backgrounds, but it really helps to have people around who have some basic shared common experiences.

My student is definitely interested in both/and: strong support and cultural presence for bipoc in the context of a widely integrated campus and student body.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

Whites started segregation in the U.S.

At colleges too.

Don't forget this when discussing matters of socializing.

So we desegregated so that we could segregate by choice. Got it. So much progress.

Are you a POC? If not, you just may not understand, and that’s ok. Nobody is forcing them to segregate, unlike universities that simply did not accept POCs back in the day. Many choose to hang out with people that share similar upbringings and cultural practices. It just feels easier for them to be themselves, and it provides some comfort in a new place.

My daughter loved Wisconsin, but was very aware of how white it was. Like, in an entire auditorium full of prospective students, there were maybe 1-2 Black people? She said it felt really weird.

We live in Silver Spring -- so it was very noticeable! She jokes all the time about how her friend group looks like a diversity stock photo (Korean-Ashkenazi Jewish, Habesha, Salvadoran, and self-described "pink-haired generic white girl.") That's just what she's used to. The contrast was striking.

She would be thrilled to go to Wisconsin! She loved the people she met and she'd be happy to meet people of whatever background. And also, the lack of ethnic and racial diversity at the school and on the tour was realllly unusual for her, and definitely threw her off for a moment.


Also, she's mentioned a few times that UMD was the only school she toured where the tour group seemed to be about as diverse as the actual student body. Like, we went on a lot of tours of schools where the freshman class is very diverse -- and the tour group seemed very white. Made her feel at ease at UMD, which makes sense, since it's close to home and felt familiar.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

Whites started segregation in the U.S.

At colleges too.

Don't forget this when discussing matters of socializing.

So we desegregated so that we could segregate by choice. Got it. So much progress.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

Whites started segregation in the U.S.

At colleges too.

Don't forget this when discussing matters of socializing.

DP.

And what conclusions, exactly, would you have people draw from this?

Perhaps don't blame URMs for "self-segregating"?

As the ORM, reach out!

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

Whites started segregation in the U.S.

At colleges too.

Don't forget this when discussing matters of socializing.

DP.

And what conclusions, exactly, would you have people draw from this?

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

Whites started segregation in the U.S.

At colleges too.

Don't forget this when discussing matters of socializing.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

DP. I totally understand that and agree that all sorts of students form groups based on interest. However, the fact that self segregation is common does lend some nuance to the claim that racial diversity is the number one thing that students should look for in colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Have you considered/toured any HBCU s ?

What does this have to do with anything? She said that she went to college a long time ago. She's just providing an opinion about why certain students might cluster together in college.

It's odd that athletes can self segregate, other students with specific interests (like investment club or frat bros) can self-segregate, but if minorities self-segregate then its viewed as something completely different. It's the same -- students at times group themselves based on interests at that time. No different.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Self segregating helps one integrate? How exactly? That's the exact opposite of integration.

holy clueless privilege batman

Separate, but equal. Is that what you want?

Back when “separate but equal” was law, POC didn’t have a choice. Now POC have the option to stay with their own, if they choose to do so. I believe all institutions do offer activities that are inclusive. Even non-Black students sometimes join the Black Student Union, and I think that is fabulous. When institutions have historically catered to White men, I think the creation of organizations that cater towards POC and women (although we are the majority on most campuses) give them a sense of belonging and even safety sometimes. It might be a pathway to integrating to more white-dominated fields.

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Anonymous wrote:A college can look diverse on paper but the actual social life on campus can be very segregated by race, class, etc.

Yes, and having “safe spaces” for POC, in my view, is not a bad thing. For many of these students, going to college might be their first time attending school that is majority White (and / or Asian). Self-segrating, gives these students a path into integrating into the bigger society. I am a POC, but I grew up in mostly white middle class town. Most of my friends in college were white, because we shared common experiences growing up.

Self segregating helps one integrate? How exactly? That's the exact opposite of integration.

holy clueless privilege batman

Separate, but equal. Is that what you want?