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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

I was unclear about that. Does no waitlist mean they accept everyone who is eligible?

Given they have also said they are reserving 1/3 of program spots for the home school I highly doubt they will literally take everyone who wants to study engineering at Blair

Also adding that the 20 kids refers to 20 kids per grade from Einstein that attend either:
Blair - regional SMCS or interest based Engineering or
Northwood - Medical science

That's 3 STEM programs of which 2 are criteria based. Historically, higher income students are more likely to be admitted to an attend criteria based programs. 300 spots per program, of which 200 are available to non home schools, or 50 per school and 12-13 per grade. So with 3 programs it might be up to 35-40 students per grade attending any of these three programs from Einstein, but I'm guessing it will be fewer due to the criteria based programs. But if we say 30 students, that still leaves 70 students per grade staying at Einstein.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

I was unclear about that. Does no waitlist mean they accept everyone who is eligible?

Given they have also said they are reserving 1/3 of program spots for the home school I highly doubt they will literally take everyone who wants to study engineering at Blair

My understanding is that they plan to look at their current data on how many kids apply to Blair by region and aim to allocate roughly that number of slots per region (similar for other programs.). There will likely be some cap, though-- I think they were talking about a max of 120 kids per grade as an upper limit at the hearing yesterday?

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

Can you point to where you saw that? I had not seen anything like that. My convoluted understanding was that they’d be criteria based (meaning they can be as big or small as resources allow).

DP during the County Council work session yesterday they did say there would be no waitlist but that seems like MCPS BS talk

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

I was unclear about that. Does no waitlist mean they accept everyone who is eligible?

Given they have also said they are reserving 1/3 of program spots for the home school I highly doubt they will literally take everyone who wants to study engineering at Blair

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

Can you point to where you saw that? I had not seen anything like that. My convoluted understanding was that they’d be criteria based (meaning they can be as big or small as resources allow).

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do kids at a school need to “demand” course offerings? Why can’t these things just be standard!

Funding.

That’s an inadequate explanation. There should be funding to have the same classes at each high school. It makes no sense otherwise.

same core set of courses including advanced courses
There will different electives from school to school.

There are not the same core courses and that is the issue. Math to graduate is a core class not elective.

Agree that math is core. Obviously.

The proposed regional model includes a set of math classes that must be at all schools.

Maybe that list needs to be expanded?

But the solution is that list not magnets, lotteries etc. All high schools must have the same core classes and the list of core classes must be extensive enough for advanced students. Otherwise some kids will be left behind.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

That sounds about right but those numbers should allow for 1-2 sections of classes.

Right, this seems like it provides the demand for certain advanced classes at Einstein and presumably helps the issue of advanced coursework not being actually taught at every school.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do kids at a school need to “demand” course offerings? Why can’t these things just be standard!

Funding.

That’s an inadequate explanation. There should be funding to have the same classes at each high school. It makes no sense otherwise.

same core set of courses including advanced courses
There will different electives from school to school.

There are not the same core courses and that is the issue. Math to graduate is a core class not elective.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

That sounds about right but those numbers should allow for 1-2 sections of classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do kids at a school need to “demand” course offerings? Why can’t these things just be standard!

Funding.

That’s an inadequate explanation. There should be funding to have the same classes at each high school. It makes no sense otherwise.

same core set of courses including advanced courses
There will different electives from school to school.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do kids at a school need to “demand” course offerings? Why can’t these things just be standard!

Funding.

That’s an inadequate explanation. There should be funding to have the same classes at each high school. It makes no sense otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in-bound for Einstein but my kids don’t attend yet. I don’t care about nimby Kensington parents who can’t handle the thought of being rezoned to Einstein. I don’t care about nimby currently zoned Einstein parents who can’t handle the thought of any higher FARMs schools being rezoned to Einstein. My gripe with MCPS is that they don’t have the same course offerings at all the schools. Offer the same classes at each high school and we’re good!

To the bolded: currently-zoned Einstein parents also want the same classes at each high school. It’s not the FARMS rate, it’s the possibility that Einstein won’t have the same classes as other schools because there would be less demand, i.e., your gripe.

Yes, but there was someone who made it about both. I was saying I care about the course offerings.

Why should Einstein and other schools have equal offerings?

I’m sorry, what? Why should high schools in the same school district offer the same classes as each other?

Yes, all the schools should have the same course offerings. Why should one set of kids get more, while another set go without when we all pay taxes to fund all the schools?

+1. We have one public school system. Educational opportunities shouldn’t be determined by your address. If you want your school to be special, then pay for private.

Except the Blair magnet of course, which we all pay for but few attend. Whatever you do MCPS keep that special.

Or should every high school offer all the electives offered at Blair because we all pay taxes for it?

Look there will be differences between schools. MCPS is trying to say all schools must have a core set of advanced courses. So maybe the advocacy focus should be on making sure that the list of core courses is comprehensive enough and that it actually gets offered everywhere

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

Right so now those kids presumably go back to Einstein, outside a smaller number doing regional “magnets” (or whatever we are calling them. Programs?). Which would seem to increase STEM kids at Einstein and change demand for types of coursework.