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Anonymous wrote:Even if Cornell were the worst Ivy, which is itself a dubious claim when you have Brown and Dartmouth in the mix, it would still rank among the top 15 universities in the country. It's like being the poorest billionaire: still extraordinarily privileged by any reasonable standard.

The hostility toward Cornell stems from academic snobbery rooted in its size, land-grant origins, and the elitist prejudices that pervade Ivy League culture. Because it has some features of a public university, including state-supported programs, and is slightly more accessible than other Ivies, the thinking goes that it must be inferior.

What features of it are public? State-supported programs are not state schools. Do you know what are you talking about?

Why does selectivity has anything to do with prestige? Penn has 40% acceptance rate in the 90s, no one has any doubt it's an ivy, then or now.

For the public colleges (ILR, CALS, etc): preferential admissions to NY students, for one.

Is stanford a state school (40% in-state)? Is rice a state school?
In large states like NY, CA, TX, they can fill their class solely with in-state kids, same quality same outcome.

These states have a size equivalent to a small country. Oxford fills 80% of their class with UK students, does that make it less selective?

Do they have lower tuition for in-state kids?

Cornell is not “the worst” but it is the most similar to top publics the way it is so separated and the larger classes. For many cornell emerges as a favorite. Our neighbor was back and forth debating cornell and berkeley for weeks. It was top to them

To our family one found Dartmouth the worst and the other found Brown the worst. They didn’t fit what they wanted in their fields of interest and the vibe on tour day was all wrong for them as individuals.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Cornell were the worst Ivy, which is itself a dubious claim when you have Brown and Dartmouth in the mix, it would still rank among the top 15 universities in the country. It's like being the poorest billionaire: still extraordinarily privileged by any reasonable standard.

The hostility toward Cornell stems from academic snobbery rooted in its size, land-grant origins, and the elitist prejudices that pervade Ivy League culture. Because it has some features of a public university, including state-supported programs, and is slightly more accessible than other Ivies, the thinking goes that it must be inferior.

What features of it are public? State-supported programs are not state schools. Do you know what are you talking about?

Why does selectivity has anything to do with prestige? Penn has 40% acceptance rate in the 90s, no one has any doubt it's an ivy, then or now.

For the public colleges (ILR, CALS, etc): preferential admissions to NY students, for one.

Is stanford a state school (40% in-state)? Is rice a state school?
In large states like NY, CA, TX, they can fill their class solely with in-state kids, same quality same outcome.

These states have a size equivalent to a small country. Oxford fills 80% of their class with UK students, does that make it less selective?

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Cornell were the worst Ivy, which is itself a dubious claim when you have Brown and Dartmouth in the mix, it would still rank among the top 15 universities in the country. It's like being the poorest billionaire: still extraordinarily privileged by any reasonable standard.

The hostility toward Cornell stems from academic snobbery rooted in its size, land-grant origins, and the elitist prejudices that pervade Ivy League culture. Because it has some features of a public university, including state-supported programs, and is slightly more accessible than other Ivies, the thinking goes that it must be inferior.

What features of it are public? State-supported programs are not state schools. Do you know what are you talking about?

Why does selectivity has anything to do with prestige? Penn has 40% acceptance rate in the 90s, no one has any doubt it's an ivy, then or now.

For the public colleges (ILR, CALS, etc): preferential admissions to NY students, for one.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Cornell is the Ivy that is least differentiated from strong public universities.

Why?

Cornell and Penn are similar to each other. Large sizes. Separate admissions for Wharton/Dyson.
If you think Agriculture is public school, what about Penn nursing?
I don't think they are that different.

Penn has about 150 nursing students per class. Arts and sciences plus engineering are the size of Harvard and Columbia. Cornell has a huge Ag school, bigger artsSci, E school, and business and hotel schools. Intros are huge and divided. Penn kids take most of the basic chemistry physics math and all distribution reqs together, the latter w wharton. Wharton takes math and half other classes with Seas and CAS. Penn is interdisciplinary and students mix in everything except for the small group of nursing students. Cornell is very different. Cornell campus physically is huge with many more buildings. Classes are bigger.
I have had an undergrad at each. Cornell is a more academic version of VT and rural location similar too. Penn is very different, closest to Columbia and Harvard, urban adjacent but has its own campus. Completely different feel and student vibe.

Dartmouth is the lowest ivy on every metric there is. But remains a top-15 school that is the right fit for many highly intelligent students. It gets a lot of cross apps with WASP and Brown.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I didn’t read the whole thread, but was wondering if Cornell tends to attract kids who are academically talented, but also march to their own beat socially?

I know five people in different areas of my life who are Cornell grads and while they’re all very book smart and have good jobs, they seem to all be a bit socially awkward. I agree that it’s an excellent school in the academic realm, but definitely a small trend I’ve noticed.

Cornell grads are the most socially normal of the Ivies. It has large schools in business, hotel management and ILR. All focused on very social occupations.

Not true Cornell and Brown grads look like they belong in Harry Potter.

Anonymous wrote:HYP
Dartmouth Brown Columbia
Cornell

Sorry OP, Cornell is VA Tech - literally a state school, ag school

Closer to Penn State, which isn’t technically state owned but receives funding for offering tuition discounts to state residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Cornell were the worst Ivy, which is itself a dubious claim when you have Brown and Dartmouth in the mix, it would still rank among the top 15 universities in the country. It's like being the poorest billionaire: still extraordinarily privileged by any reasonable standard.

The hostility toward Cornell stems from academic snobbery rooted in its size, land-grant origins, and the elitist prejudices that pervade Ivy League culture. Because it has some features of a public university, including state-supported programs, and is slightly more accessible than other Ivies, the thinking goes that it must be inferior.

What features of it are public? State-supported programs are not state schools. Do you know what are you talking about?

Why does selectivity has anything to do with prestige? Penn has 40% acceptance rate in the 90s, no one has any doubt it's an ivy, then or now.

Read again closely. I didn’t write that “features are public.” Land grant status and state supported schools are definitely public like attributes. And what does Penn’s 40% acceptance rate in the 90s have to do with Ivy status?

Oh, forgot Penn. put them somewhere between Columbia and Cornell

HYP
Dartmouth Brown Columbia
Cornell

Sorry OP, Cornell is VA Tech - literally a state school, ag school

Anonymous wrote:Even if Cornell were the worst Ivy, which is itself a dubious claim when you have Brown and Dartmouth in the mix, it would still rank among the top 15 universities in the country. It's like being the poorest billionaire: still extraordinarily privileged by any reasonable standard.

The hostility toward Cornell stems from academic snobbery rooted in its size, land-grant origins, and the elitist prejudices that pervade Ivy League culture. Because it has some features of a public university, including state-supported programs, and is slightly more accessible than other Ivies, the thinking goes that it must be inferior.

What features of it are public? State-supported programs are not state schools. Do you know what are you talking about?

Why does selectivity has anything to do with prestige? Penn has 40% acceptance rate in the 90s, no one has any doubt it's an ivy, then or now.

Even if Cornell were the worst Ivy, which is itself a dubious claim when you have Brown and Dartmouth in the mix, it would still rank among the top 15 universities in the country. It's like being the poorest billionaire: still extraordinarily privileged by any reasonable standard.

The hostility toward Cornell stems from academic snobbery rooted in its size, land-grant origins, and the elitist prejudices that pervade Ivy League culture. Because it has some features of a public university, including state-supported programs, and is slightly more accessible than other Ivies, the thinking goes that it must be inferior.

Anonymous wrote:I think Cornell is the Ivy that is least differentiated from strong public universities.

Why?

Cornell and Penn are similar to each other. Large sizes. Separate admissions for Wharton/Dyson.
If you think Agriculture is public school, what about Penn nursing?
I don't think they are that different.

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I didn’t read the whole thread, but was wondering if Cornell tends to attract kids who are academically talented, but also march to their own beat socially?

I know five people in different areas of my life who are Cornell grads and while they’re all very book smart and have good jobs, they seem to all be a bit socially awkward. I agree that it’s an excellent school in the academic realm, but definitely a small trend I’ve noticed.

Cornell grads are the most socially normal of the Ivies. It has large schools in business, hotel management and ILR. All focused on very social occupations.