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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

To truly solve the illegal immigration issue, you’d need to arrest and imprison the white - largely Republican - business owners that employ them and profit from their labor. The old white guys with country club memberships who owns large scale farms, fisheries, construction companies, delivery fleet companies, hospitality businesses, etc.

You will never solve this issue until the white conservative business owners who profit from illegal immigration feel the pain.

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

Can you please share one?

Sure, here you go. Men in sweatshirts “arresting” a student at Tufts. I’m sure your the pp re warrants. So, women are supposed to go with randos who have no badges or paperwork? This is far from only one. Are you seriously justifying this, especially with the link a few pages back if guys now posing as ICE agents for racist funsies?!?!

Check the 0:37 mark in your video where the undercover agent pulls his badge on a chain out from under his sweatshirt. That’s IDENTIFYING who is arresting her.

Any other videos?

You seem oddly complacent that a man grabs her without showing a badge or warrant and some guy maybe pulls out a plastic badge. I won’t bother showing you others because you clearly like the terror of it.

This is the post of a defeated person. This fight ended in a knockout.

Seriously? You are getting your assed kicked, just like the ICE agents in LA lol

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

Can you please share one?

Sure, here you go. Men in sweatshirts “arresting” a student at Tufts. I’m sure your the pp re warrants. So, women are supposed to go with randos who have no badges or paperwork? This is far from only one. Are you seriously justifying this, especially with the link a few pages back if guys now posing as ICE agents for racist funsies?!?!

Check the 0:37 mark in your video where the undercover agent pulls his badge on a chain out from under his sweatshirt. That’s IDENTIFYING who is arresting her.

Any other videos?

You seem oddly complacent that a man grabs her without showing a badge or warrant and some guy maybe pulls out a plastic badge. I won’t bother showing you others because you clearly like the terror of it.

This is the post of a defeated person. This fight ended in a knockout.

Yes, it’s absolutely clear you like violence. There are lots of testimony and video of people saying there are ICE agents without badges. But, nothing will sway you. You think I’m dumb, I think you’re evil. We’re done.

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

Can you please share one?

Sure, here you go. Men in sweatshirts “arresting” a student at Tufts. I’m sure your the pp re warrants. So, women are supposed to go with randos who have no badges or paperwork? This is far from only one. Are you seriously justifying this, especially with the link a few pages back if guys now posing as ICE agents for racist funsies?!?!

Check the 0:37 mark in your video where the undercover agent pulls his badge on a chain out from under his sweatshirt. That’s IDENTIFYING who is arresting her.

Any other videos?

You seem oddly complacent that a man grabs her without showing a badge or warrant and some guy maybe pulls out a plastic badge. I won’t bother showing you others because you clearly like the terror of it.

This is the post of a defeated person. This fight ended in a knockout.

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

Can you please share one?

Sure, here you go. Men in sweatshirts “arresting” a student at Tufts. I’m sure your the pp re warrants. So, women are supposed to go with randos who have no badges or paperwork? This is far from only one. Are you seriously justifying this, especially with the link a few pages back if guys now posing as ICE agents for racist funsies?!?!

Check the 0:37 mark in your video where the undercover agent pulls his badge on a chain out from under his sweatshirt. That’s IDENTIFYING who is arresting her.

Any other videos?

You seem oddly complacent that a man grabs her without showing a badge or warrant and some guy maybe pulls out a plastic badge. I won’t bother showing you others because you clearly like the terror of it.

This is the post of a defeated person. This fight ended in a knockout.

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

Can you please share one?

Sure, here you go. Men in sweatshirts “arresting” a student at Tufts. I’m sure your the pp re warrants. So, women are supposed to go with randos who have no badges or paperwork? This is far from only one. Are you seriously justifying this, especially with the link a few pages back if guys now posing as ICE agents for racist funsies?!?!

Check the 0:37 mark in your video where the undercover agent pulls his badge on a chain out from under his sweatshirt. That’s IDENTIFYING who is arresting her.

Any other videos?

You seem oddly complacent that a man grabs her without showing a badge or warrant and some guy maybe pulls out a plastic badge. I won’t bother showing you others because you clearly like the terror of it.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

You can ask for whatever you want, but federal officers have no obligation to provide their name and badge number.

So you’re fine with people kidnapping people? Just go with anyone grabbing you?

I’m telling you what the law is. I’m not making a normative statement about it.

That’s fine, but that’s what people are resisting. The terror of it. It’s hard to understand the legality of four guys in sweatshirts, with no badge, face covered, no marked car, no warrant grabbing you on the street. If you don’t go, you’re “resisting arrest.” You’re basically telling people to ignore their instincts.

How do you know you’re not being abducted? How does it differ from human trafficking?

I don’t think they are all federal agents. Some of the vehicles don’t even have government plates. They have regular state plates.

That’s typical for federal law enforcement. My DH is a federal LEO and his work vehicle has plain Virginia plates. We don’t live in Virginia.

How would someone know he’s legit?

If he was out doing something (vs in the office) he’d be (God willing) wearing a plate carrier that says POLICE and his agency on it. Otherwise, he wears a badge on his hip, but it is covered by his shirt, which is required to conceal his firearm. He works for a plain clothes agency.

These morons calling themselves ICE are doing none of these things.

ICE agents wear badges. In every video I’ve seen, they either have those badges visible from the beginning or make it visible at the time of approaching the arrestee. If you have an example to the contrary, I’d be interested in seeing it.

Look up the video of the Tufts student arrest.

Look at the video posted upthread. They were in plainclothes. When they reached the woman, they unzipped their jackets and showed their badges.
Do keep up.

You’re liars! I just looked up the ice badge. He’s pulling a plastic thing out. This is what it looks like (and that is NOT what he pulled out!):

https://www.ice.gov/node/65973

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

There hasn’t been a single immigration arrest without a badge.

umm where did you get this data? Please let us know where we should look.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

You can ask for whatever you want, but federal officers have no obligation to provide their name and badge number.

So you’re fine with people kidnapping people? Just go with anyone grabbing you?

I’m telling you what the law is. I’m not making a normative statement about it.

That’s fine, but that’s what people are resisting. The terror of it. It’s hard to understand the legality of four guys in sweatshirts, with no badge, face covered, no marked car, no warrant grabbing you on the street. If you don’t go, you’re “resisting arrest.” You’re basically telling people to ignore their instincts.

How do you know you’re not being abducted? How does it differ from human trafficking?

I don’t think they are all federal agents. Some of the vehicles don’t even have government plates. They have regular state plates.

That’s typical for federal law enforcement. My DH is a federal LEO and his work vehicle has plain Virginia plates. We don’t live in Virginia.

How would someone know he’s legit?

If he was out doing something (vs in the office) he’d be (God willing) wearing a plate carrier that says POLICE and his agency on it. Otherwise, he wears a badge on his hip, but it is covered by his shirt, which is required to conceal his firearm. He works for a plain clothes agency.

It’s sad that you even have to explain this.
You would think that people in DC would know of plainclothes and under cover law enforcement

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

You can ask for whatever you want, but federal officers have no obligation to provide their name and badge number.

So you’re fine with people kidnapping people? Just go with anyone grabbing you?

I’m telling you what the law is. I’m not making a normative statement about it.

That’s fine, but that’s what people are resisting. The terror of it. It’s hard to understand the legality of four guys in sweatshirts, with no badge, face covered, no marked car, no warrant grabbing you on the street. If you don’t go, you’re “resisting arrest.” You’re basically telling people to ignore their instincts.

How do you know you’re not being abducted? How does it differ from human trafficking?

I don’t think they are all federal agents. Some of the vehicles don’t even have government plates. They have regular state plates.

That’s typical for federal law enforcement. My DH is a federal LEO and his work vehicle has plain Virginia plates. We don’t live in Virginia.

How would someone know he’s legit?

If he was out doing something (vs in the office) he’d be (God willing) wearing a plate carrier that says POLICE and his agency on it. Otherwise, he wears a badge on his hip, but it is covered by his shirt, which is required to conceal his firearm. He works for a plain clothes agency.

These morons calling themselves ICE are doing none of these things.

ICE agents wear badges. In every video I’ve seen, they either have those badges visible from the beginning or make it visible at the time of approaching the arrestee. If you have an example to the contrary, I’d be interested in seeing it.

Look up the video of the Tufts student arrest.

Look at the video posted upthread. They were in plainclothes. When they reached the woman, they unzipped their jackets and showed their badges.
Do keep up.