Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 16:22     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.
There are tens of million of people here illegally. The more ICE makes it difficult for people, the more likely these tens of millions will self-deport.


So why is ICE spending all this time on people here legally?
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 16:09     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
* interests and propaganda.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 16:08     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.
There are tens of million of people here illegally. The more ICE makes it difficult for people, the more likely these tens of millions will self-deport.


Hey genius, if that’s the case, perhaps we would find greater results in sending the DHS goon squad down to a local Home Depot parking lot perimeter, rather than terrorizing Ph.D. candidates?


The people looking for work at Home Depot are just looking for work. They're not trying to affect U.S. foreign policy, they're not advocating on behalf of foreign terror groups, they're trying to force U.S. entities to not do business with a country they dislike, and they're not trying to intimidate people who adhere to a different religion. The students, on the other hand, are begging for attention, literally. They just didn't expect it to come from ICE.


So it sounds like you are acknowledging that this dismantling of our constitution is in service to one group’s interests?

You sure you wanna go there?
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 16:05     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Are we even sure she was detained by "ICE"? Is there any proof of who those guys were who kidnapped her?
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 15:05     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My guess would be that she was working with Hamas. Hamas is coordinating with many student groups around the country. One group at Columbia was silent for months on social media then posted three minutes before the attack in Israel.


Who came up with that? Fox News or Newsmax?


It is in a lawsuit filed against one of these student groups.


DP. Whatever about that, there is no proof that THIS particular student was "working with Hamas." The new administration does not feel it has to provide any proof regarding the reason it detains, deports, or imprisons in a foreign country ANYONE who is not a US citizen. They are bound to be making some mistakes in a rush to meet their deportation quotas and terrorize people.


Case in point:
“The Trump administration sent a Venezuelan national with no criminal record to a Salvadoran megaprison based on an administrative error, according to The Miami Herald.

Frengel Reyes Mota, 24 years old, was deported to El Salvador earlier this month along with hundreds of other Venezuelan men whom the Trump administration falsely claims to be Tren de Aragua members. But Reyes Mota’s immigration records contain multiple errors, including marking him as a woman, using a different last name, and filing two ID numbers for him.”

https://newrepublic.com/post/193284/ice-deported-man-el-salvador-megaprison-paperwork-error
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 15:04     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.
There are tens of million of people here illegally. The more ICE makes it difficult for people, the more likely these tens of millions will self-deport.


Hey genius, if that’s the case, perhaps we would find greater results in sending the DHS goon squad down to a local Home Depot parking lot perimeter, rather than terrorizing Ph.D. candidates?


The people looking for work at Home Depot are just looking for work. They're not trying to affect U.S. foreign policy, they're not advocating on behalf of foreign terror groups, they're trying to force U.S. entities to not do business with a country they dislike, and they're not trying to intimidate people who adhere to a different religion. The students, on the other hand, are begging for attention, literally. They just didn't expect it to come from ICE.


Weak deflection. We are a nation of laws. Public servants may not act with impunity.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 15:01     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.
There are tens of million of people here illegally. The more ICE makes it difficult for people, the more likely these tens of millions will self-deport.


Hey genius, if that’s the case, perhaps we would find greater results in sending the DHS goon squad down to a local Home Depot parking lot perimeter, rather than terrorizing Ph.D. candidates?


The people looking for work at Home Depot are just looking for work. They're not trying to affect U.S. foreign policy, they're not advocating on behalf of foreign terror groups, they're trying to force U.S. entities to not do business with a country they dislike, and they're not trying to intimidate people who adhere to a different religion. The students, on the other hand, are begging for attention, literally. They just didn't expect it to come from ICE.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:40     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My guess would be that she was working with Hamas. Hamas is coordinating with many student groups around the country. One group at Columbia was silent for months on social media then posted three minutes before the attack in Israel.


Who came up with that? Fox News or Newsmax?


It is in a lawsuit filed against one of these student groups.


DP. Whatever about that, there is no proof that THIS particular student was "working with Hamas." The new administration does not feel it has to provide any proof regarding the reason it detains, deports, or imprisons in a foreign country ANYONE who is not a US citizen. They are bound to be making some mistakes in a rush to meet their deportation quotas and terrorize people.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:35     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This young woman wrote the piece in MArch of 2024 - a year ago. It was perfectly fine then. Now, with a new administration, with no notice and with no guidance, the rules have change. What the administration has done is effectively declared the Act they are using unconstitutional. It is void for vagueness. There is no possible way to know if the conduct you engage in today will be declared criminal or a deportable offense tomorrow.

Sorry MAGA. You chased your tail and caught it


It also seems to violate Section I of the Constitution that prohibits ex-post facto laws, specifically the "changes in punishment" case law:
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-1/70-ex-post-facto-laws.html


She's not a US citizen so she doesn't get constitutional rights.

Enjoy the trip back to Turkey. Unfortunately, the weather doesn't look good there this week.


Why is she locked up in Louisiana when they could easily just put her on a plane and send her back to Turkey (a NATO ally)?

This has nothing to do with our national security and everything to do with meeting quotas and performative BS.


Because she still has to go through immigration proceedings per INA.


Nothing to see here, folks
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:34     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.
There are tens of million of people here illegally. The more ICE makes it difficult for people, the more likely these tens of millions will self-deport.[/quote

Like Kristi Noem going down to El Salvador and shooting a video at the prison.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:30     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.
There are tens of million of people here illegally. The more ICE makes it difficult for people, the more likely these tens of millions will self-deport.


Hey genius, if that’s the case, perhaps we would find greater results in sending the DHS goon squad down to a local Home Depot parking lot perimeter, rather than terrorizing Ph.D. candidates?
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:19     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.


I asked chat gpt that. There a few ways it can pan out. If she decides she wants to be deported that’s the quickest way to be freed from detention and she’ll be out of the country in 6 to 8 weeks. If she wants to fight the deportation it could take months. She will be in detention all this while, technically she can be freed on bond but unlikely as she may be a flight risk. But she’ll get her day in court in deportation proceedings. At this point since a federal judge intervened she cannot not voluntary deport.


This is so the deportation case works its way through the courts. The Indian graduate student from Columbia was smart enough to self deport.


Interesting. So these people do have a choice and are hoping the media attention will help their cause and allow them to stay in the US.


This is a lie. These students are not being given a choice of detention or going back home on their own. The Indian student you refer to only knew ICE was looking for her because officers came to her apartment and couldn’t get in. The woman at Tufts had no notice, as discussed in the link PP posted above.

Even if these students’ visa are being properly revoked, there is no reason to detain them. Some of these students are even married to US citizens.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:18     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This just in from the Boston Globe. She is now being represented by the ACLU, in addition to her private lawyer. I've included the highlights of the article below. I can gift the article, if anyone is interested.

Tufts student was not notified her visa was revoked shortly before masked ICE agents arrested her, defense says

The Trump administration revoked the visa of a Tufts graduate student on March 21 but never notified her before masked Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents swarmed her on a Somerville sidewalk Tuesday and took her into custody, records show.

Once Rümeysa Öztürk was in ICE custody, her friends, her attorney, and the Turkish consulate could not locate her for 24 hours, during which she suffered an asthma attack [my note: elsewhere I read that she was whisked away so quickly that she never got to grab the two inhalers she uses for her asthma], according to a new court filing Friday by her attorneys.

Her attorneys argue that Öztürk, a 30-year-old PhD student from Turkey, is being targeted for taking a public pro-Palestinian stance on Tufts campus last year in violation of her First Amendment right to free speech.

The latest filing also asserts that Öztürk’s Fifth Amendment right to due process was violated since she was unaware her visa was revoked when ICE agents placed her in handcuffs outside her home.

The defense also argues that the administration did not follow Department of Homeland Security rules that apply when an international student has visa issues. Öztürk should not have been arrested but notified that a hearing was to be held on the matter at a future date, the lawyers say in the filing.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/03/28/metro/tufts-student-in-ice-custody-aclu/?p1=HP_Feed_ContentQuery



She was not accorded anything approaching a civilized and lawful standard for handling her visa issue. We are better than this.


Yeah, you’re absolutely right.

Wanna know who disagrees? The sick F’s who support foreign interference in our government affairs through the systemic corruption of our political elite and through unregulated activities like doxxing websites.

Websites operated by foreign actors that produce a new kind of Schindler’s List - in this adaptation, the list isn’t used to save lives from deportation, but to zero in on critics of the same foreign state that has apparently co-opted U.S. governance, and to punish them extra-judiciously for daring to speak up.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:13     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This young woman wrote the piece in MArch of 2024 - a year ago. It was perfectly fine then. Now, with a new administration, with no notice and with no guidance, the rules have change. What the administration has done is effectively declared the Act they are using unconstitutional. It is void for vagueness. There is no possible way to know if the conduct you engage in today will be declared criminal or a deportable offense tomorrow.

Sorry MAGA. You chased your tail and caught it


It also seems to violate Section I of the Constitution that prohibits ex-post facto laws, specifically the "changes in punishment" case law:
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-1/70-ex-post-facto-laws.html


She's not a US citizen so she doesn't get constitutional rights.

Enjoy the trip back to Turkey. Unfortunately, the weather doesn't look good there this week.


Why is she locked up in Louisiana when they could easily just put her on a plane and send her back to Turkey (a NATO ally)?

This has nothing to do with our national security and everything to do with meeting quotas and performative BS.


Because she still has to go through immigration proceedings per INA.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2025 14:12     Subject: Tufts student detained by ICE
Anonymous wrote:My point is, I’m fine with revoking student visas or not renewing provisional green cards, but why are we not just giving them notice and telling them to be gone by X date?

This is the part I don’t understand. The way it’s been handled makes no sense.
There are tens of million of people here illegally. The more ICE makes it difficult for people, the more likely these tens of millions will self-deport.