[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't care about redshirting -- there are redshirted kids in my kid's class, it's fine, I don't even thing about it.

However as the parent of a kid with an August birthday, I also think parents worry WAY too much about their kid being youngest. Is it because of that stupid Gladwell book? It's really fine. My august birthday kid (not redshirted) is on the mature side of the grade in some things, on the immature side in others. Does well academically and I've never felt the academics are too much.

I figure most people redshirting are doing so because of some kind of delay and I'm sure that's fine. But the way it gets talked about on here, some parents seem to think that if your kid is the youngest in the grade, they are somehow disadvantaged for life. It's dumb. Kids mature at different rates anyway. Also some kids are on the small side or need extra help in math or reading even if they get he extra year.

I just think a lot of you overthink this. As long as the kids are all around the same age, it's fine, and it's more important to just support your kid at home and address any issues that come up, than worrying that their relative age will somehow be this be-all-end-all advantage or disadvantage. It's really not that big of a deal and becomes less of one as they get older.[/quote]

this was my opinion, until he got to fifth grade, and then the difference in maturity started to pop up, mainly in how much the social order was being decided by the kids who were most confident, had phones first, had video games first, etc. DS was always one of the larger kids in the class but by sixth grade it was getting bad—he was going to school with some kids kids who were 12-13 years older than him—thanks to redshirting!—and it was having a detrimental effect.

We still didn't connect the dots until we applied to a private—for academic not social reasons—and the admissions office pointed out how incredibly young our son was, even before they saw his grades or saw him physically. He red-shirted and is now one of the older kids and it's like night and day. A kid who we always thought was doing fine is now doing great—now the comments from teachers are things like "unusual maturity" and 'really knows who he is" and "confident with the other kids" instead of "he's trying to fit in" and "He'll be okay with a bit more of a confidence boost"...

Obviously not right for everyone and sometimes beign around more mature kids can be a positive experience—if they're the kind of kids who mature into decent people and not mature into bullies. But, some kids can really benefit, especially if they're young for the grade.

Malcom Gladwell's book has nothing to do with this, because it's not about whether all kids will benefit from being an older kid, it's about whether the kids who are younger than their peers—by a substantial margin—in a grade will benefit from not being in that position. [/quote]

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Yeah, but he has an early June birthday... he was WELL in the range of DCPS for his grade. The kids who were 12 or 13 months older were kids whose parents red-shirted THEM and upended the order.[/quote]

DP here- my DC is mid August. The October kids in the class were not red-shirted, they simply followed the cutoff age policy. They are 13.5 months older than DC. This is the current system. [/quote]

The difference between a mid-August birthday and an early-October birthday is 10.5 months.[/quote]

DP thant he one wiht the bad math.

My DS had a classmate who was born Sept 25, 2012 and another classmate who was born Aug 5, 2011. That's more than 13 months. Can't speak for the previous math, but it does happen. [/quote]

Sure — it happens when people redshirt. In your example, in DC, Larlo born in August 2011 would be a grade above Larla born in September 2012. [/quote]

And now Lario makes Laria's life hell.[/quote]

Larlo is more likely to disrupt Larla when Larlo and Larla are both six, and Larlo has half the attention span. When Larlo is seven, he can sit just as long, and Larla learns better. That’s why most privates refuse to admit young boys.

Honestly just to private. I used to be for public education, but there’s so much waste spent discussing this stuff. Private schools have this all down. The classes are well-constructed, and the kids go to good colleges.

Or else charter schools all the way.[/quote]

Kids can sit. It’s easier on thes hook. It’s not about the kids at all. If they cannot teach age appropriate kids they should not be teaching. [/quote]

Nope. Boys and girls on average have different abilities to sit. If you want your daughter to have the best education, you don’t want young, disruptive boys in her class. This is the other reason why private (and perhaps charter) is better. Policies are put together intelligently and not based on energy-depleting comments like “kids can sit.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/boys-delayed-entry-school-start-redshirting/671238/[/quote]

DCPS is such a metaphor. The learning environment is better with kids of different ages and similar maturities. But screw all of that and create a worse learning environment because learning is supposedly a competition. Forget that the rest of the world doesn’t operate like DC.

I hope every single little girl whose 1st grade education is disrupted by a young boy who skipped kindergarten no less! Has a mom who fought to end red-shirting.

Meanwhile, we will skip over to private with the quiet classrooms and recesses scheduled for kids of similar maturities. Our whole neighborhood is private now. Great job, DCPS, by making it easier for private kids to be more competitive.[/quote]

First it was a civil rights issue and now allowing redshirting is a gender equity issue? Come on. Can girls not redshirt them because this pseudo science says that would actually give them a leg up right?

Your whole neighborhood is private because of racism, classism, and capitalism. It isn't because DCPS enforces a standard age to enroll.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about redshirting -- there are redshirted kids in my kid's class, it's fine, I don't even thing about it.

However as the parent of a kid with an August birthday, I also think parents worry WAY too much about their kid being youngest. Is it because of that stupid Gladwell book? It's really fine. My august birthday kid (not redshirted) is on the mature side of the grade in some things, on the immature side in others. Does well academically and I've never felt the academics are too much.

I figure most people redshirting are doing so because of some kind of delay and I'm sure that's fine. But the way it gets talked about on here, some parents seem to think that if your kid is the youngest in the grade, they are somehow disadvantaged for life. It's dumb. Kids mature at different rates anyway. Also some kids are on the small side or need extra help in math or reading even if they get he extra year.

I just think a lot of you overthink this. As long as the kids are all around the same age, it's fine, and it's more important to just support your kid at home and address any issues that come up, than worrying that their relative age will somehow be this be-all-end-all advantage or disadvantage. It's really not that big of a deal and becomes less of one as they get older.

this was my opinion, until he got to fifth grade, and then the difference in maturity started to pop up, mainly in how much the social order was being decided by the kids who were most confident, had phones first, had video games first, etc. DS was always one of the larger kids in the class but by sixth grade it was getting bad—he was going to school with some kids kids who were 12-13 years older than him—thanks to redshirting!—and it was having a detrimental effect.

We still didn't connect the dots until we applied to a private—for academic not social reasons—and the admissions office pointed out how incredibly young our son was, even before they saw his grades or saw him physically. He red-shirted and is now one of the older kids and it's like night and day. A kid who we always thought was doing fine is now doing great—now the comments from teachers are things like "unusual maturity" and 'really knows who he is" and "confident with the other kids" instead of "he's trying to fit in" and "He'll be okay with a bit more of a confidence boost"...

Obviously not right for everyone and sometimes beign around more mature kids can be a positive experience—if they're the kind of kids who mature into decent people and not mature into bullies. But, some kids can really benefit, especially if they're young for the grade.

Malcom Gladwell's book has nothing to do with this, because it's not about whether all kids will benefit from being an older kid, it's about whether the kids who are younger than their peers—by a substantial margin—in a grade will benefit from not being in that position.

12-13 MONTHS older than him obviously

Yeah, but he has an early June birthday... he was WELL in the range of DCPS for his grade. The kids who were 12 or 13 months older were kids whose parents red-shirted THEM and upended the order.

DP here- my DC is mid August. The October kids in the class were not red-shirted, they simply followed the cutoff age policy. They are 13.5 months older than DC. This is the current system.

The difference between a mid-August birthday and an early-October birthday is 10.5 months.

DP thant he one wiht the bad math.

My DS had a classmate who was born Sept 25, 2012 and another classmate who was born Aug 5, 2011. That's more than 13 months. Can't speak for the previous math, but it does happen.

Sure — it happens when people redshirt. In your example, in DC, Larlo born in August 2011 would be a grade above Larla born in September 2012.

And now Lario makes Laria's life hell.

Larlo is more likely to disrupt Larla when Larlo and Larla are both six, and Larlo has half the attention span. When Larlo is seven, he can sit just as long, and Larla learns better. That’s why most privates refuse to admit young boys.

Honestly just to private. I used to be for public education, but there’s so much waste spent discussing this stuff. Private schools have this all down. The classes are well-constructed, and the kids go to good colleges.

Or else charter schools all the way.

Kids can sit. It’s easier on thes hook. It’s not about the kids at all. If they cannot teach age appropriate kids they should not be teaching.

Nope. Boys and girls on average have different abilities to sit. If you want your daughter to have the best education, you don’t want young, disruptive boys in her class. This is the other reason why private (and perhaps charter) is better. Policies are put together intelligently and not based on energy-depleting comments like “kids can sit.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/boys-delayed-entry-school-start-redshirting/671238/

DCPS is such a metaphor. The learning environment is better with kids of different ages and similar maturities. But screw all of that and create a worse learning environment because learning is supposedly a competition. Forget that the rest of the world doesn’t operate like DC.

I hope every single little girl whose 1st grade education is disrupted by a young boy who skipped kindergarten no less! Has a mom who fought to end red-shirting.

Meanwhile, we will skip over to private with the quiet classrooms and recesses scheduled for kids of similar maturities. Our whole neighborhood is private now. Great job, DCPS, by making it easier for private kids to be more competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about redshirting -- there are redshirted kids in my kid's class, it's fine, I don't even thing about it.

However as the parent of a kid with an August birthday, I also think parents worry WAY too much about their kid being youngest. Is it because of that stupid Gladwell book? It's really fine. My august birthday kid (not redshirted) is on the mature side of the grade in some things, on the immature side in others. Does well academically and I've never felt the academics are too much.

I figure most people redshirting are doing so because of some kind of delay and I'm sure that's fine. But the way it gets talked about on here, some parents seem to think that if your kid is the youngest in the grade, they are somehow disadvantaged for life. It's dumb. Kids mature at different rates anyway. Also some kids are on the small side or need extra help in math or reading even if they get he extra year.

I just think a lot of you overthink this. As long as the kids are all around the same age, it's fine, and it's more important to just support your kid at home and address any issues that come up, than worrying that their relative age will somehow be this be-all-end-all advantage or disadvantage. It's really not that big of a deal and becomes less of one as they get older.

this was my opinion, until he got to fifth grade, and then the difference in maturity started to pop up, mainly in how much the social order was being decided by the kids who were most confident, had phones first, had video games first, etc. DS was always one of the larger kids in the class but by sixth grade it was getting bad—he was going to school with some kids kids who were 12-13 years older than him—thanks to redshirting!—and it was having a detrimental effect.

We still didn't connect the dots until we applied to a private—for academic not social reasons—and the admissions office pointed out how incredibly young our son was, even before they saw his grades or saw him physically. He red-shirted and is now one of the older kids and it's like night and day. A kid who we always thought was doing fine is now doing great—now the comments from teachers are things like "unusual maturity" and 'really knows who he is" and "confident with the other kids" instead of "he's trying to fit in" and "He'll be okay with a bit more of a confidence boost"...

Obviously not right for everyone and sometimes beign around more mature kids can be a positive experience—if they're the kind of kids who mature into decent people and not mature into bullies. But, some kids can really benefit, especially if they're young for the grade.

Malcom Gladwell's book has nothing to do with this, because it's not about whether all kids will benefit from being an older kid, it's about whether the kids who are younger than their peers—by a substantial margin—in a grade will benefit from not being in that position.

Just so you realize though, there are now kids in his class that are 13+ months younger than him. I'm glad you worked it out but this is one of the arguments against redshirting is that it's a never ending cycle with people constantly fighting not to be the youngest.

There's no question some kids do need to be held back, but a blanket allowance to start K late is what is being asked for by these parents and it's just not conducive to the system as a whole.

well, actually, now he's in a private school that has control over the ages of the students in each grade and the flexibility to build the class as they see fit. His birthday is early July, and the youngest kid in the class is nine months younger than him.

But, you are not wrong...

That said "blanket red shirting" is just shifting the age requirements for grades. I don't really know how to fix DCPS' system but it does seem to have some problems.

The youngest kid in the class has an early April birthday?

I feel like this is just proving why DCPS has the policy they do.

I dunno, makes sense to me. On the day of graduation, every kid will be 18.

As it was in DC, some kids would be 18, a number of kids would still be 17 and a few kids would be weeks from turning 19. Seems effed up to me.

Actually no. On the day of graduation, many kids would still be 17.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about redshirting -- there are redshirted kids in my kid's class, it's fine, I don't even thing about it.

However as the parent of a kid with an August birthday, I also think parents worry WAY too much about their kid being youngest. Is it because of that stupid Gladwell book? It's really fine. My august birthday kid (not redshirted) is on the mature side of the grade in some things, on the immature side in others. Does well academically and I've never felt the academics are too much.

I figure most people redshirting are doing so because of some kind of delay and I'm sure that's fine. But the way it gets talked about on here, some parents seem to think that if your kid is the youngest in the grade, they are somehow disadvantaged for life. It's dumb. Kids mature at different rates anyway. Also some kids are on the small side or need extra help in math or reading even if they get he extra year.

I just think a lot of you overthink this. As long as the kids are all around the same age, it's fine, and it's more important to just support your kid at home and address any issues that come up, than worrying that their relative age will somehow be this be-all-end-all advantage or disadvantage. It's really not that big of a deal and becomes less of one as they get older.

this was my opinion, until he got to fifth grade, and then the difference in maturity started to pop up, mainly in how much the social order was being decided by the kids who were most confident, had phones first, had video games first, etc. DS was always one of the larger kids in the class but by sixth grade it was getting bad—he was going to school with some kids kids who were 12-13 years older than him—thanks to redshirting!—and it was having a detrimental effect.

We still didn't connect the dots until we applied to a private—for academic not social reasons—and the admissions office pointed out how incredibly young our son was, even before they saw his grades or saw him physically. He red-shirted and is now one of the older kids and it's like night and day. A kid who we always thought was doing fine is now doing great—now the comments from teachers are things like "unusual maturity" and 'really knows who he is" and "confident with the other kids" instead of "he's trying to fit in" and "He'll be okay with a bit more of a confidence boost"...

Obviously not right for everyone and sometimes beign around more mature kids can be a positive experience—if they're the kind of kids who mature into decent people and not mature into bullies. But, some kids can really benefit, especially if they're young for the grade.

Malcom Gladwell's book has nothing to do with this, because it's not about whether all kids will benefit from being an older kid, it's about whether the kids who are younger than their peers—by a substantial margin—in a grade will benefit from not being in that position.

12-13 MONTHS older than him obviously

Yeah, but he has an early June birthday... he was WELL in the range of DCPS for his grade. The kids who were 12 or 13 months older were kids whose parents red-shirted THEM and upended the order.

DP here- my DC is mid August. The October kids in the class were not red-shirted, they simply followed the cutoff age policy. They are 13.5 months older than DC. This is the current system.

The difference between a mid-August birthday and an early-October birthday is 10.5 months.

DP thant he one wiht the bad math.

My DS had a classmate who was born Sept 25, 2012 and another classmate who was born Aug 5, 2011. That's more than 13 months. Can't speak for the previous math, but it does happen.

Sure — it happens when people redshirt. In your example, in DC, Larlo born in August 2011 would be a grade above Larla born in September 2012.

And now Lario makes Laria's life hell.

Larlo is more likely to disrupt Larla when Larlo and Larla are both six, and Larlo has half the attention span. When Larlo is seven, he can sit just as long, and Larla learns better. That’s why most privates refuse to admit young boys.

Honestly just to private. I used to be for public education, but there’s so much waste spent discussing this stuff. Private schools have this all down. The classes are well-constructed, and the kids go to good colleges.

Or else charter schools all the way.

Kids can sit. It’s easier on thes hook. It’s not about the kids at all. If they cannot teach age appropriate kids they should not be teaching.

Nope. Boys and girls on average have different abilities to sit. If you want your daughter to have the best education, you don’t want young, disruptive boys in her class. This is the other reason why private (and perhaps charter) is better. Policies are put together intelligently and not based on energy-depleting comments like “kids can sit.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/boys-delayed-entry-school-start-redshirting/671238/

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about redshirting -- there are redshirted kids in my kid's class, it's fine, I don't even thing about it.

However as the parent of a kid with an August birthday, I also think parents worry WAY too much about their kid being youngest. Is it because of that stupid Gladwell book? It's really fine. My august birthday kid (not redshirted) is on the mature side of the grade in some things, on the immature side in others. Does well academically and I've never felt the academics are too much.

I figure most people redshirting are doing so because of some kind of delay and I'm sure that's fine. But the way it gets talked about on here, some parents seem to think that if your kid is the youngest in the grade, they are somehow disadvantaged for life. It's dumb. Kids mature at different rates anyway. Also some kids are on the small side or need extra help in math or reading even if they get he extra year.

I just think a lot of you overthink this. As long as the kids are all around the same age, it's fine, and it's more important to just support your kid at home and address any issues that come up, than worrying that their relative age will somehow be this be-all-end-all advantage or disadvantage. It's really not that big of a deal and becomes less of one as they get older.

this was my opinion, until he got to fifth grade, and then the difference in maturity started to pop up, mainly in how much the social order was being decided by the kids who were most confident, had phones first, had video games first, etc. DS was always one of the larger kids in the class but by sixth grade it was getting bad—he was going to school with some kids kids who were 12-13 years older than him—thanks to redshirting!—and it was having a detrimental effect.

We still didn't connect the dots until we applied to a private—for academic not social reasons—and the admissions office pointed out how incredibly young our son was, even before they saw his grades or saw him physically. He red-shirted and is now one of the older kids and it's like night and day. A kid who we always thought was doing fine is now doing great—now the comments from teachers are things like "unusual maturity" and 'really knows who he is" and "confident with the other kids" instead of "he's trying to fit in" and "He'll be okay with a bit more of a confidence boost"...

Obviously not right for everyone and sometimes beign around more mature kids can be a positive experience—if they're the kind of kids who mature into decent people and not mature into bullies. But, some kids can really benefit, especially if they're young for the grade.

Malcom Gladwell's book has nothing to do with this, because it's not about whether all kids will benefit from being an older kid, it's about whether the kids who are younger than their peers—by a substantial margin—in a grade will benefit from not being in that position.

12-13 MONTHS older than him obviously

Yeah, but he has an early June birthday... he was WELL in the range of DCPS for his grade. The kids who were 12 or 13 months older were kids whose parents red-shirted THEM and upended the order.

DP here- my DC is mid August. The October kids in the class were not red-shirted, they simply followed the cutoff age policy. They are 13.5 months older than DC. This is the current system.

The difference between a mid-August birthday and an early-October birthday is 10.5 months.

DP thant he one wiht the bad math.

My DS had a classmate who was born Sept 25, 2012 and another classmate who was born Aug 5, 2011. That's more than 13 months. Can't speak for the previous math, but it does happen.

Sure — it happens when people redshirt. In your example, in DC, Larlo born in August 2011 would be a grade above Larla born in September 2012.

And now Lario makes Laria's life hell.

Larlo is more likely to disrupt Larla when Larlo and Larla are both six, and Larlo has half the attention span. When Larlo is seven, he can sit just as long, and Larla learns better. That’s why most privates refuse to admit young boys.

Honestly just to private. I used to be for public education, but there’s so much waste spent discussing this stuff. Private schools have this all down. The classes are well-constructed, and the kids go to good colleges.

Or else charter schools all the way.

Kids can sit. It’s easier on thes hook. It’s not about the kids at all. If they cannot teach age appropriate kids they should not be teaching.

People misunderstand how education works in US. I’m guessing the posters complaining about redshirting come from Asian countries where education is seen as a way to make society more uniform and fair, ie everybody gets the same thing, you go with your student cohort from kindergarten to college. These people expect lots of rigid rules to be followed and imagine the schools can ask for medical records, testing results and evaluations or that parents to be compelled to do certain things which are complete non starters here.

US is different, it doesn’t have a centralized education system and schools are paid from local budgets, educate the children from the local community, following local customs and norms. Redshirting varies wildly across geography, socioeconomic class, culture etc, so if it’s locally accepted, the schools will abide. Also schools in US are far more flexible, students can start early, skip grades, finish high school early if they have the credits, dual enroll in community college or start later (ie be held back). For math, students can finish differential equations in high school or stop after two years with geometry. All these options are not common in other countries and people used to other educational systems have unrealistic expectations.

During the DEI wave there was a modicum of scrutiny on different practices and there was a little pushback. That wave passed and things are back to how they were.

In my view the flexibility of the US education is a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about redshirting -- there are redshirted kids in my kid's class, it's fine, I don't even thing about it.

However as the parent of a kid with an August birthday, I also think parents worry WAY too much about their kid being youngest. Is it because of that stupid Gladwell book? It's really fine. My august birthday kid (not redshirted) is on the mature side of the grade in some things, on the immature side in others. Does well academically and I've never felt the academics are too much.

I figure most people redshirting are doing so because of some kind of delay and I'm sure that's fine. But the way it gets talked about on here, some parents seem to think that if your kid is the youngest in the grade, they are somehow disadvantaged for life. It's dumb. Kids mature at different rates anyway. Also some kids are on the small side or need extra help in math or reading even if they get he extra year.

I just think a lot of you overthink this. As long as the kids are all around the same age, it's fine, and it's more important to just support your kid at home and address any issues that come up, than worrying that their relative age will somehow be this be-all-end-all advantage or disadvantage. It's really not that big of a deal and becomes less of one as they get older.

this was my opinion, until he got to fifth grade, and then the difference in maturity started to pop up, mainly in how much the social order was being decided by the kids who were most confident, had phones first, had video games first, etc. DS was always one of the larger kids in the class but by sixth grade it was getting bad—he was going to school with some kids kids who were 12-13 years older than him—thanks to redshirting!—and it was having a detrimental effect.

We still didn't connect the dots until we applied to a private—for academic not social reasons—and the admissions office pointed out how incredibly young our son was, even before they saw his grades or saw him physically. He red-shirted and is now one of the older kids and it's like night and day. A kid who we always thought was doing fine is now doing great—now the comments from teachers are things like "unusual maturity" and 'really knows who he is" and "confident with the other kids" instead of "he's trying to fit in" and "He'll be okay with a bit more of a confidence boost"...

Obviously not right for everyone and sometimes beign around more mature kids can be a positive experience—if they're the kind of kids who mature into decent people and not mature into bullies. But, some kids can really benefit, especially if they're young for the grade.

Malcom Gladwell's book has nothing to do with this, because it's not about whether all kids will benefit from being an older kid, it's about whether the kids who are younger than their peers—by a substantial margin—in a grade will benefit from not being in that position.

12-13 MONTHS older than him obviously

Yeah, but he has an early June birthday... he was WELL in the range of DCPS for his grade. The kids who were 12 or 13 months older were kids whose parents red-shirted THEM and upended the order.

DP here- my DC is mid August. The October kids in the class were not red-shirted, they simply followed the cutoff age policy. They are 13.5 months older than DC. This is the current system.

The difference between a mid-August birthday and an early-October birthday is 10.5 months.

DP thant he one wiht the bad math.

My DS had a classmate who was born Sept 25, 2012 and another classmate who was born Aug 5, 2011. That's more than 13 months. Can't speak for the previous math, but it does happen.

Sure — it happens when people redshirt. In your example, in DC, Larlo born in August 2011 would be a grade above Larla born in September 2012.

And now Lario makes Laria's life hell.

Larlo is more likely to disrupt Larla when Larlo and Larla are both six, and Larlo has half the attention span. When Larlo is seven, he can sit just as long, and Larla learns better. That’s why most privates refuse to admit young boys.

Honestly just to private. I used to be for public education, but there’s so much waste spent discussing this stuff. Private schools have this all down. The classes are well-constructed, and the kids go to good colleges.

Or else charter schools all the way.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

The choices you make impact others. It’s sucks when 13 years olds are in the same classes as held back kids especially in electives and math. Lots of bullying from the older kids. 13 years olds olds should not be with 19-20 year olds.

+1

The age gap can be a big deal in upper elementary and middle school. Based on DCPS rules if a parent redshirts your kid could turn 14 in the spring of 7th grade while other kids in the grade won’t turn 13 until September. That is problematic.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

So, my kid who is on the young side but fits the age criteria has to be a confidence-builder prop for your redshirted kid who is 13 months older. Eff that, go to private school if you want to play games like that.

Exactly. Absent a genuine developmental reason, redshirting disadvantages the kids who enroll when they are supposed to.

How are those kids disadvantaged? They know what they know, focus more on your kids knowledge instead of their rank in the class.

I’d rather my kid is average in a class of brilliant kids rather than the smartest in a class full of dummies.

The held back kids are also at a disadvantage as they are not with age appropriate expectations or academics.

The standards of learning, aka common core standards, are the same regardless of who’s in the class. So you if your kid is meeting the standards he’ll get the high marks.

You’re misinformed about the other kids that are doing really well academically. It’s not because they are redshirted, it’s because the do AOPS, RSM and tutoring on the side. They went through this years curriculum last year so it’s just a review for them, while yours sees the material for the first time now. Not saying it’s fair, just that’s how it is.

Common core is a set of federal guidelines on what should be taught in each grade so if kids switch schools they are all similar. We have a young for the grade and did not do tutoring till hs. They are advanced. We supplemented at home but that was it. These held back kids need tutoring to catch up to their true peers.

Anonymous wrote:Obviously problematic for paid pre-ks (beholden to the parents who pay them) to be making these calls.

At a minimum, parents who think their kid is not ready for kindergarten when they are supposed to enroll should surely at least have gone through the Early Stages assessment, which is District-run and would provide more disinterested data.

If the families who are trying to redshirt have not gone through this process, I’d be very curious why. Does not seem like they genuinely have a concern about their child’s ability to go to school on time if they have not.

Then they should be required to provide a neuropsych. They are the ones who do assessments.

Anonymous wrote:Obviously problematic for paid pre-ks (beholden to the parents who pay them) to be making these calls.

At a minimum, parents who think their kid is not ready for kindergarten when they are supposed to enroll should surely at least have gone through the Early Stages assessment, which is District-run and would provide more disinterested data.

If the families who are trying to redshirt have not gone through this process, I’d be very curious why. Does not seem like they genuinely have a concern about their child’s ability to go to school on time if they have not.

Exactly and if their kids are in preschool and not prepared they need to rethink their choices.

Anonymous wrote:Obviously problematic for paid pre-ks (beholden to the parents who pay them) to be making these calls.

At a minimum, parents who think their kid is not ready for kindergarten when they are supposed to enroll should surely at least have gone through the Early Stages assessment, which is District-run and would provide more disinterested data.

If the families who are trying to redshirt have not gone through this process, I’d be very curious why. Does not seem like they genuinely have a concern about their child’s ability to go to school on time if they have not.

The school is not a medical provider, the assessment has no binding value, unless they want to be open for litigation, so we’re back to square one, which is people with resources will pour them into their kids education if they wish so.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

So, my kid who is on the young side but fits the age criteria has to be a confidence-builder prop for your redshirted kid who is 13 months older. Eff that, go to private school if you want to play games like that.

Exactly. Absent a genuine developmental reason, redshirting disadvantages the kids who enroll when they are supposed to.

How are those kids disadvantaged? They know what they know, focus more on your kids knowledge instead of their rank in the class.

I’d rather my kid is average in a class of brilliant kids rather than the smartest in a class full of dummies.

The held back kids are also at a disadvantage as they are not with age appropriate expectations or academics.

The standards of learning, aka common core standards, are the same regardless of who’s in the class. So you if your kid is meeting the standards he’ll get the high marks.

You’re misinformed about the other kids that are doing really well academically. It’s not because they are redshirted, it’s because the do AOPS, RSM and tutoring on the side. They went through this years curriculum last year so it’s just a review for them, while yours sees the material for the first time now. Not saying it’s fair, just that’s how it is.

Obviously problematic for paid pre-ks (beholden to the parents who pay them) to be making these calls.

At a minimum, parents who think their kid is not ready for kindergarten when they are supposed to enroll should surely at least have gone through the Early Stages assessment, which is District-run and would provide more disinterested data.

If the families who are trying to redshirt have not gone through this process, I’d be very curious why. Does not seem like they genuinely have a concern about their child’s ability to go to school on time if they have not.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

The choices you make impact others. It’s sucks when 13 years olds are in the same classes as held back kids especially in electives and math. Lots of bullying from the older kids. 13 years olds olds should not be with 19-20 year olds.