Anonymous
Post 02/09/2025 14:40     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


A lot more people would have jumped on it if it was legal and was guaranteed to be implemented. It's actually a very generous offer in theory! But consider that Twitter employees had to SUE to get Elon to comply with their Fork... doesn't give you much confidence, does it?


I didn’t say I think it’s legit-but the 65,000 people who took it think it is so let them go and give the rest of us a little breathing room until the next hammer.

"Move fast and break things" That is literally Elon's motto. Breathing room is not what he does, not even to himself.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2025 14:38     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


A lot more people would have jumped on it if it was legal and was guaranteed to be implemented. It's actually a very generous offer in theory! But consider that Twitter employees had to SUE to get Elon to comply with their Fork... doesn't give you much confidence, does it?


I didn’t say I think it’s legit-but the 65,000 people who took it think it is so let them go and give the rest of us a little breathing room until the next hammer.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2025 11:40     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


+1

The next step will be worse


You mean they will actually offer VERA like they are supposed to do?



This. Offer VERA/VISP with no fork, and I am in. What's crazy is the fork/VERA offer is better, but it's unfortunately tied to shitty humans who don't keep their word. I'd rather take VERA/VISP for less and have peace of mind.


but do they need actual congressional appropriations for VERA/VSIP? I'd imagine that is the issue; they want to scam people because they know they aren't going to follow through and there is not money to support something legal.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2025 11:37     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


+1

The next step will be worse


You mean they will actually offer VERA like they are supposed to do?



This. Offer VERA/VISP with no fork, and I am in. What's crazy is the fork/VERA offer is better, but it's unfortunately tied to shitty humans who don't keep their word. I'd rather take VERA/VISP for less and have peace of mind.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2025 11:31     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


A lot more people would have jumped on it if it was legal and was guaranteed to be implemented. It's actually a very generous offer in theory! But consider that Twitter employees had to SUE to get Elon to comply with their Fork... doesn't give you much confidence, does it?


I have multiple coworkers who would have jumped at a normal legit early retirement. But this cluster has him working for several more years now.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2025 11:06     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


+1

The next step will be worse


+2. If it gives the rest of us remaining some time or breathing room, I’m all for it.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2025 10:46     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

I signed up. Hopefully it goes through and buys time for others or mitigates the shitstorm. I was leaving anyway so can roll the dice on fraudsters.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 22:57     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


+1

The next step will be worse


You mean they will actually offer VERA like they are supposed to do?
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 22:48     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


+1

The next step will be worse
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 22:39     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.


A lot more people would have jumped on it if it was legal and was guaranteed to be implemented. It's actually a very generous offer in theory! But consider that Twitter employees had to SUE to get Elon to comply with their Fork... doesn't give you much confidence, does it?
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 22:21     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Honestly I want fork to go through. I’m worried about the consequences if they don’t get this initial tranche.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 21:23     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wanting to resign? Fork-et about it
Tine to resign? Not so fast.
Utensil about resignation deadline? Don’t stress.
It stab out to get interesting!

I’ll see myself out.


You’re writing sounds like gibberish.

Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 21:01     Subject: The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Because what we needed was to cut healthcare for the veterans who sacrificed so much for our country. That would be cool. Let's renege on those promises too.

I suppose MAGA is now going to tell us how lazy our military is and that disabled veterans should be working the fields to pick produce? Is that it?

JFC. At least we have this.

There are other health provisions we are debted to make, but at least this.


It's not the healthcare but the wastage that hides behind these things. better execution has nothing to do with excessive $ss
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2025 18:27     Subject: Re:The Fork got fork’d

some analysis of the DRP from lawfare blog, on whether it is lawful, whether those taking the fork have recourse if the government doesn't pay, etc:

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/will-employees-who-resign-have-a-remedy
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2025 18:23     Subject: Re:The Fork got fork’d

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good analysis from an employment law firm.

Legal Questions Surrounding the Trump Administration’s Deferred Resignation Offer:
Navigating the “Fork in the Road”

The short answer is that we continue to believe the Deferred Resignation plan (“Fork Directive”) is an unlawful ultimatum, which raises more questions than answers. Most immediately, we do not believe the deferred resignation offer is enforceable, which could jeopardize employees’ ability to obtain the benefits the Fork Directive claims to provide.

The Office of Personnel Management’s (“OPM”) February 4, 2025, Memorandum on the legality of the deferred resignation program suggests that, “[w]ere the government to backtrack on its commitments, an employee would be entitled to request a rescission of their resignation.” Approval of that request, however, is subject to the employing agency’s discretion—and, as OPM notes, the program’s objective is “to move quickly to consolidate and/or reassign roles and in many cases place employees on administrative leave[,]” either of which “would likely serve as a valid reason to deny recission requests.”

Your agency has the power—and likely would—to deny any request to withdraw a resignation. OPM has circulated a template Agreement* to agencies that can be used to document employee resignations and formalize the government’s agreement to abide by the terms of the deferred resignation program. The most troubling aspects of the Agreement continue to be 1) the power it gives agencies to unilaterally withdraw from the agreement without warning and 2) that it requires federal employees to waive any right to challenge such a withdrawal. The Agreement circulated by OPM includes a waiver provision, ¶ 13, that says the employee is waiving any claim “based on, arising from, or related to Employee’s employment at [Agency] or the deferred resignation offer, including any and all claims that were or could have been brought concerning said matters.” Arguably, this is a waiver of any right to sue to enforce the Agreement. This is particularly significant because the Agreement, while binding on the employee, can be rescinded “in the sole discretion of the . . . Agency Head, which shall not be subject to review at the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or any other forum[.]” ¶ 10. Thus, the agency could decide to rescind the Agreement prior to September 30, 2025, and terminate the employee, who would have no right to sue to enforce the agreement because any claim regarding that decision has already been waived. Nothing in the Fork Directive and its FAQs prohibits the termination or separation of an employee who accepts deferred resignation.

The program also may violate the Anti-Deficiency Act, the law ensuring that the government does not exceed congressional appropriations. While OPM seems to promise that an employee “who has chosen to participate in the deferred resignation program will not be placed at a disadvantage compared to other employees if congressional appropriations lapse[,]” federal employees’ positions are only funded until March 14, 2025, under the terms of the current continuing resolution. The government’s promise to pay resigning employees past that date would amount to a violation of that law.

OPM guidance also suggests that employees “who are eligible for the deferred resignation offer and are at least age 50 with at least 20 years of creditable Federal service, or any age with at least 25 years creditable Federal service are eligible for [Voluntary Early Retirement Authority (“VERA”)] along with the deferred resignation offer[.]” This is misleading, however, because an agency must first develop a VERA plan to explain why the authority is needed, how it will be implemented, and which employees will be eligible. That plan must then receive approval from OPM before the agency may offer early retirement to its employees. At a minimum, any employee considering the VERA offer should request the written determination authorizing the agency to offer VERA to eligible employees.

Given the circumstances, we can readily understand why this Deferred Resignation proposal is attractive.That attraction assumes, however, that the proposal will be implemented as promised. Because of the differences between what the program promises and what it obligates the government to deliver, we do not believe a good outcome for those employees who accept and take the deferred resignation is likely. In a lawsuit filed on February 4, 2025,** in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts, the American Federation of Government Employees, AFSCME, and the National Association of Government Employees sued OPM to, among other things, vacate the Fork Directive and remand to OPM “to provide a reasoned basis as required by the [Administrative Procedures Act’s (“APA”)] for the Directive and extend the purported deadline . . . accordingly[.]” We believe federal employees deserve and should demand from OPM and their agencies the explanations and guarantees – presently lacking – that would make this program something to be trusted.

* Language may vary by agency.

** U.S. District Judge George A. O’Toole Jr. paused the deadline for the Trump administration’s Deferred Resignation plan Thursday afternoon (on January 6, 2025) until Monday, January 10, 2025, at 2:00 p.m., when he will hear full argument on the legality of the deferred resignation program.


Thanks chatgpt warrior


This doesn’t sound like chat gpt