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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

Oh come on. The OOS kids at UCLA and Michigan are all the tippy top kids from their classes, largely valedictorian or close to it, 1500+ SATs, etc. Just stop it.

When you attend UCLA you are not just attending with all the other "OOS students". Only 14% of UCLA are OOS students. So you are really attending with mostly in state students.
Hence why a much smaller school like NU is overall better. The caliber of students is higher---it's easier to do that with only 6-7K undergrads. Yes UCLA and Mich will have similar students attending, but it's not 75-80%+ of the students who are that caliber.

And yes, NU has many better programs as previous posters have listed.

LOL. If you want to be on Broadway better to go to UM than NU.

UM #2
NU #10

https://playbill.com/article/big-10-2023-the-10-most-represented-colleges-on-broadway-in-the-2022-2023-season

A quick count shows 48 from U Michigan and 28 from Northwestern University, but--as noted above--U Michigan's undergraduate enrollment is four times as larger as Northwestern's, yet U Michigan has well less than twice the number of graduates performing on Broadway.

There are probably no more theater students enrolled Michigan than NU. Who cares about total undergraduate enrollment? Compare apples to apples.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

Oh come on. The OOS kids at UCLA and Michigan are all the tippy top kids from their classes, largely valedictorian or close to it, 1500+ SATs, etc. Just stop it.

When you attend UCLA you are not just attending with all the other "OOS students". Only 14% of UCLA are OOS students. So you are really attending with mostly in state students.
Hence why a much smaller school like NU is overall better. The caliber of students is higher---it's easier to do that with only 6-7K undergrads. Yes UCLA and Mich will have similar students attending, but it's not 75-80%+ of the students who are that caliber.

And yes, NU has many better programs as previous posters have listed.

LOL. If you want to be on Broadway better to go to UM than NU.

UM #2
NU #10

https://playbill.com/article/big-10-2023-the-10-most-represented-colleges-on-broadway-in-the-2022-2023-season

A quick count shows 48 from U Michigan and 28 from Northwestern University, but--as noted above--U Michigan's undergraduate enrollment is four times as larger as Northwestern's, yet U Michigan has well less than twice the number of graduates performing on Broadway.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

Oh come on. The OOS kids at UCLA and Michigan are all the tippy top kids from their classes, largely valedictorian or close to it, 1500+ SATs, etc. Just stop it.

When you attend UCLA you are not just attending with all the other "OOS students". Only 14% of UCLA are OOS students. So you are really attending with mostly in state students.
Hence why a much smaller school like NU is overall better. The caliber of students is higher---it's easier to do that with only 6-7K undergrads. Yes UCLA and Mich will have similar students attending, but it's not 75-80%+ of the students who are that caliber.

And yes, NU has many better programs as previous posters have listed.

LOL. If you want to be on Broadway better to go to UM than NU.

UM #2
NU #10

https://playbill.com/article/big-10-2023-the-10-most-represented-colleges-on-broadway-in-the-2022-2023-season

So that you can work for an NU graduate. And, of course, U Michigan has an undergraduate enrollment that is 4X (about 32,000) greater than northwestern (about 8,000 undergraduate students).

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

Oh come on. The OOS kids at UCLA and Michigan are all the tippy top kids from their classes, largely valedictorian or close to it, 1500+ SATs, etc. Just stop it.

When you attend UCLA you are not just attending with all the other "OOS students". Only 14% of UCLA are OOS students. So you are really attending with mostly in state students.
Hence why a much smaller school like NU is overall better. The caliber of students is higher---it's easier to do that with only 6-7K undergrads. Yes UCLA and Mich will have similar students attending, but it's not 75-80%+ of the students who are that caliber.

And yes, NU has many better programs as previous posters have listed.

LOL. If you want to be on Broadway better to go to UM than NU.

UM #2
NU #10

https://playbill.com/article/big-10-2023-the-10-most-represented-colleges-on-broadway-in-the-2022-2023-season

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Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

There is zero chance in math or stem, sorry. Math at UM is brutal, tons of kids fail and have to take courses at Washtenaw. Google Michigan math.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwestern
UCLA/Michigan
Wisconsin
UMCP
Washington
Illinois
USCw
Rutgers
Ohio St.
Purdue
Indiana
Minnesota
Penn St.
Iowa
Michigan St.
Oregon
Nebraska

When/if Stanford and Cal are admitted (hopefully sooner than later), then of course everyone gets bumped down a notch (with Cal alongside UCLA/Michigan).

While noting the various rankings from one of the posts that followed this one....Is Maryland generally perceived as being a higher tier school than Southern California? I know Maryland's (not to mention Washington and Illinois) leaned very heavily into tech/STEM over the years, and that seems to be where the action is lately, whereas SC tends to be more pre-pro focused. Maybe that'd be why, if indeed that's the perception?

SC currently has a sub-10% acceptance rate and applicant stats that blow the doors off the comparators at Maryland.

You should gave known this poster was clueless the minute you saw Wisconsin in the Top 5 schools.

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern
UCLA/Michigan
Wisconsin
UMCP
Washington
Illinois
USCw
Rutgers
Ohio St.
Purdue
Indiana
Minnesota
Penn St.
Iowa
Michigan St.
Oregon
Nebraska

When/if Stanford and Cal are admitted (hopefully sooner than later), then of course everyone gets bumped down a notch (with Cal alongside UCLA/Michigan).

While noting the various rankings from one of the posts that followed this one....Is Maryland generally perceived as being a higher tier school than Southern California? I know Maryland's (not to mention Washington and Illinois) leaned very heavily into tech/STEM over the years, and that seems to be where the action is lately, whereas SC tends to be more pre-pro focused. Maybe that'd be why, if indeed that's the perception?

Ranking Big Ten Conference schools by percentage of graduate students:

1) Northwestern--55%
2) USC--53%
3) U Michigan--33.85%
4) U Washington--31%
5) UCLA--28.45%
6) Illinois--28%
7) Minnesota--24.5%
8) Wisconsin--23.5%
9) Maryland--23.3%
10) Rutgers--20%
11) Iowa--20%
12) Ohio State--19%
13) Michigan State--18.75%
14) Indiana--17.3%
15) Penn state--16%
16) Purdue--15.84%
17) Oregon--15%
18) Nebraska--12%

Compared to percentage of graduate students at each of the 8 Ivy League schools:

1) Columbia--74%
2) Harvard--69%
3) U Penn--60%
4) Northwestern (Big 10)--55%
5) Yale--55%
6) USC (Big 10)--53%
7) Cornell--39%
8) Princeton--37%
9) U Michigan (Big 10)--34%
10) Dartmouth College--33%
11) Brown--31%
12) U Washington (Big 10)--31%
13) UCLA (Big 10)--28.5%
14) Illinois (Big 10)--28%
15) Minnesota (Big 10)--24.5%
16) Wisconsin (Big 10)--23.5%
17) Maryland (Big 10)--22.33%
18) Rutgers (Big 10)--20%
19) Iowa (Big 10)--20%
20) Ohio State (Big 10)--19%
21) Michigan State (Big 10)--18.75%
22) Indiana (Big 10)--17.3%
23) Penn State (Big 10)--16%
24) Purdue (Big 10)--15.84%
25) Oregon (Big 10)--15%
26) Nebraska (Big Ten)--12%

Anonymous wrote:NW
Michigan/UCLA
USC
Washington
Purdue/UIUC/Wisconsin/Ohio St/UMD/Rutgers
Penn State/UMN
MSU/IU
Iowa
Oregon/Nebraska

this reflects my view pretty much except two changes - Washington before USC and Ohio St and Rutgers w/ PS and UMN

Stop prioritizing academics over professional schools, when we all know professional schools matter most. Everyone smart is gunning for business and law.