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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

How is a fetus created?

Why does that matter?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Does not want to do the unpaid labor of gestating that child. Do you do unpaid labor as intensive as pregnancy is?

I do not live in the same moral basement as you, and I would never reduce pregnancy and having a child as unpaid labor. Again, I am so happy I am no longer signed up to die for this country. However, I do realize that your world view will never change, and neither will mine.

Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

counterpoint

That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Does not want to do the unpaid labor of gestating that child. Do you do unpaid labor as intensive as pregnancy is?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

counterpoint

That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Does not want to do the unpaid labor of gestating that child. Do you do unpaid labor as intensive as pregnancy is?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/opinion/kristl-tomlin-dobbs-children.html

This kid came in, and she was a 13-year-old kid. And she had been walking down the street, and this guy pulled up in the car. And he said, hey, you want to get in the car? I’ll buy you some food. And she went, OK. And she got in his car, and he took her to his apartment, where he locked her in, and he raped her in every available orifice.

And then the neighbors heard her screaming, and they called the police. And the police battered down the door and caught this guy in the act, arrested him, thankfully, and took her to the emergency room. And then, as part of her follow-up, she had a positive pregnancy test a couple of weeks later.

And when she came to my office, she’d had an ultrasound because this is part of this law, right? There’s a huge emphasis on ultrasound. There has to be, because this emphasis is on fetal heart rate, right? And you can only assess that through ultrasound, except through ultrasound, at small gestational ages like that, you typically need to do a transvaginal ultrasound.

So if you’ve never had that before, that is a probe that is stuck up your vagina and moved around until we can get the images that we need. So not amazing at the best of times, but definitely not amazing when you’re a child who’s just been abducted and raped. And the kid had an ultrasound, and there was no heart rate yet.

...And the mom was like, I don’t believe in abortion. I believe in adoption.


But then, a few weeks after that first appointment, the girl came back with her mom and wanted to get an abortion. And remember, the clock is ticking.

I had everything ready to go. I called the lawyers, and the lawyers went, mm, I don’t think so. ... we need to know whether or not there’s a heartbeat. I was like, but we don’t, right? Oh, and then she said, not only does she need an ultrasound, you need to wait 24 hours before you can give her medicine.

And it’s interesting because the advice you got was not necessarily following the letter of the law. But what the law does is create this culture of anxiety around what is supposed to be done at this very critical moment.

I think this is part of where the problem is. These laws are so ambiguous. This isn’t necessarily a criticism of the lawyers who are helping me. They were being hugely conservative in their advice to me. They were trying to help me.

But the issue is, what a lawyer interprets as conservative and what I then have to live on the ground when I’m telling this to a family, it’s they’re just different things.

So I had to go back into this room and tell this family. And I took the kid and her mom to the ultrasound suite. And it was, without a doubt, one of the worst experiences of my life because this kid just sobbed through the whole thing. And her mom sobbed through the whole thing, and my nurse sobbed through the whole thing. And of course, now, it’s been three weeks, and now there is a heartbeat.

And I have to say all this junk — I’m obligated to inform you that there is a heartbeat. And this kid just can’t even get words out. And she’s just shaking her head. I’m obligated to let you know that you may have pictures of this. Would you like your picture? ...none of that was necessary.

Dr. Tomlin asked them to come back the next day, following the lawyer’s advice. They did, and she gave the patient abortion medication.

And so, we did it. Great. Now I have to call the sheriff.

Women who want access to elective abortion use stories like this to influence people.

The vast majority of abortions are elective abortion, and aren’t because the girl/woman was raped or has medical issues.

If women would stop using elective abortion as birth control, and instead abortion was used by women who were the victims of rape or incest, the abortion rate would drop drastically.

The mere fact that some women use the stories of woman and girls who have been raped or have horrific health issues as a way to justify and protect their elective abortions is infuriating.

What a hypocrite. You probably protest that you believe in abortion when a woman is raped. But that fetus has the same status you give to a fetus in the uterus of a woman whose birth control failed. That is, in either case neither fetus controls the circumstances of their conception. True consistency would be for you to say no exceptions for rape even for 12 year old girls but you know how much of a monster that makes you. So you acknowledge it is okay to favor one woman’s choice over another because of personal circumstance. You just refuse to listen to the circumstances of the women who don’t want to carry to term, rejecting them all as “convenience” decisions as if that is a moral smear against them.

At least the pro-choice people are consistent - we believe a woman or girl already in this world should have the final decision of whether to agree to gestate an embryo that implanted to term. Because we value their lives over the potential life dependent on those women and girls’ bodies. And we recognize we are not living their experience and can’t make that decision for them.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

counterpoint

That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

How is a fetus created?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

No matter hard you try to spin it, a fetus IS a growing child.

No matter how hard a democrat denies science and biology, a fetus is a child created by a mother and father.

Let’s see how the democrat defines a fetus.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/opinion/kristl-tomlin-dobbs-children.html

This kid came in, and she was a 13-year-old kid. And she had been walking down the street, and this guy pulled up in the car. And he said, hey, you want to get in the car? I’ll buy you some food. And she went, OK. And she got in his car, and he took her to his apartment, where he locked her in, and he raped her in every available orifice.

And then the neighbors heard her screaming, and they called the police. And the police battered down the door and caught this guy in the act, arrested him, thankfully, and took her to the emergency room. And then, as part of her follow-up, she had a positive pregnancy test a couple of weeks later.

And when she came to my office, she’d had an ultrasound because this is part of this law, right? There’s a huge emphasis on ultrasound. There has to be, because this emphasis is on fetal heart rate, right? And you can only assess that through ultrasound, except through ultrasound, at small gestational ages like that, you typically need to do a transvaginal ultrasound.

So if you’ve never had that before, that is a probe that is stuck up your vagina and moved around until we can get the images that we need. So not amazing at the best of times, but definitely not amazing when you’re a child who’s just been abducted and raped. And the kid had an ultrasound, and there was no heart rate yet.

...And the mom was like, I don’t believe in abortion. I believe in adoption.


But then, a few weeks after that first appointment, the girl came back with her mom and wanted to get an abortion. And remember, the clock is ticking.

I had everything ready to go. I called the lawyers, and the lawyers went, mm, I don’t think so. ... we need to know whether or not there’s a heartbeat. I was like, but we don’t, right? Oh, and then she said, not only does she need an ultrasound, you need to wait 24 hours before you can give her medicine.

And it’s interesting because the advice you got was not necessarily following the letter of the law. But what the law does is create this culture of anxiety around what is supposed to be done at this very critical moment.

I think this is part of where the problem is. These laws are so ambiguous. This isn’t necessarily a criticism of the lawyers who are helping me. They were being hugely conservative in their advice to me. They were trying to help me.

But the issue is, what a lawyer interprets as conservative and what I then have to live on the ground when I’m telling this to a family, it’s they’re just different things.

So I had to go back into this room and tell this family. And I took the kid and her mom to the ultrasound suite. And it was, without a doubt, one of the worst experiences of my life because this kid just sobbed through the whole thing. And her mom sobbed through the whole thing, and my nurse sobbed through the whole thing. And of course, now, it’s been three weeks, and now there is a heartbeat.

And I have to say all this junk — I’m obligated to inform you that there is a heartbeat. And this kid just can’t even get words out. And she’s just shaking her head. I’m obligated to let you know that you may have pictures of this. Would you like your picture? ...none of that was necessary.

Dr. Tomlin asked them to come back the next day, following the lawyer’s advice. They did, and she gave the patient abortion medication.

And so, we did it. Great. Now I have to call the sheriff.

Women who want access to elective abortion use stories like this to influence people.

The vast majority of abortions are elective abortion, and aren’t because the girl/woman was raped or has medical issues.

If women would stop using elective abortion as birth control, and instead abortion was used by women who were the victims of rape or incest, the abortion rate would drop drastically.

The mere fact that some women use the stories of woman and girls who have been raped or have horrific health issues as a way to justify and protect their elective abortions is infuriating.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

No matter hard you try to spin it, a fetus IS a growing child.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.