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05/17/2024 14:21
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
There should be a good balance between spouses and couples should've support of families, governments and society to make it fairer.
Anonymous
05/17/2024 14:19
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Hunters and gatherers.
Anonymous
05/17/2024 14:19
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything wrong with a catholic person discussing catholic ideas at a catholic university.
Also, his message was, careers are not as fulfilling as family, so think of yourself first as a provider and caretaker and second about ambition. And he said, and I agree, that being a homemaker is s noble pursuit. These are good values.
He didn’t say it like that and you know it. Is he going to tell his teammates that their football careers are not S fulfilling as family so think of themselves first as providers and caretakers and second about ambition, and to consider being a homemaker since it is a noble pursuit? No he directed those thoughts at women. If it’s good enough for women it should be good enough for men.
100% but give margin for biology. Men don't get bleed monthly, get pregnant , give birth, breast feed or go into postpartum and menopause
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Anonymous
05/17/2024 14:16
Subject: Re:NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.
His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.
I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.
DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.
He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.
Dp- and those people are trying to usurp power, and undermine democracy. No biggie!
Can you recite the Hallmarks of Benedictine Education or discuss the Rule of St. Benedict? You are taking the remarks of one football player and using it to make generalizations for a huge number of people (who find his remarks offensive, by the way). Why do we do this? Why did you choose to post this statement about "people and families that end up Benedictine" without thinking about the harm done by your incorrect generalization?
Before anyone generalizes and denounces an entire group of people, we should do some research. This is a great time to learn something. This football player may have said these terrible things at a Benedictine college, but as the Benedictine sisters quoted early have said, his words and divisiveness are antithetical to Benedictine values. Benedictines are more liberal in their values than the Jesuits. It is a beautiful and incredibly peaceful Order. Obviously Catholic, so on the issues many disagree with (sex and abortion), they will hold Catholic values; but they also live values like this:
Hospitality: "Christ presents himself in the outsider’s vulnerability and calls the monastic to put aside individual plans and pre-occupations in order to let the unexpected person in, to help her get established, to respond to his most pressing needs. ... Within Benedictine educational institutions, we strive to extend hospitality to each member of the educational community, especially to those new to the community and/or coming from other traditions. More broadly, we seek to cultivate curricular and co-curricular ways to recognize the needs and call forth the talents and gifts of persons of differing capacities and dispositions, of diverse races, cultures and backgrounds. The educational community that can result breaks down any residual sense of insiders versus outsiders and manifests an openness to being transformed by engaging deeply with the other – be it an idea, a person or an experience."
Love: "Benedictine colleges and universities seek, above all, to be grounded in love and animated by it. The “love of learning and desire for God,” so celebrated as part of Benedictine culture, make demands on all and are expansive enough to engage the deepest purpose of persons from all backgrounds who desire to teach and to study, to serve and to lead. We call all to pursue a rigorous and disciplined search for truth and to support one another when that quest becomes difficult. We recognize how easy it is for all to hold on to habits of mind and behavior that diminish one’s own potential or impede the development of others. Yet we possess a confidence borne of long experience in the capacity of all persons to grow and develop, to cultivate habits of mind and behavior that are life-giving and contribute to the good of all."
Humility: "They recognize their limitations without losing hope and accept their gifts without becoming arrogant because the measure of their lives is not found in themselves alone. There is always room for additional personal growth, for giving one’s self for the good of others. ... By ourselves alone, none of us can learn what we most need to know or bring to completion what most needs to be done. We strive to engage the insights and expertise of a wide variety of persons in our educational mission so that each of us can discover what we are good at doing and what we need others’ help to achieve. We seek to cultivate the multi-faceted exploration of truth in academic disciplines, confident that in a rigorous and wide-ranging pursuit of academic excellence, all participants are freed to discern and cultivate the gifts they possess and thereby contribute to the well-being of all."
Stewardship: "In Benedictine educational institutions we seek to foster awareness that we are part of a larger ecology and that the environment – human as well as non-human – has been given by God for the sake of all. We encourage the creative and sustainable use of resources and their just distribution for the good of all. We seek to sharpen awareness of noteworthy contributions – past and present – to the well-being of society and the earth itself, trying to keep strong the memory and practice of human creativity and generosity. "
There are more, if you care to learn about them before you disparage the Order and the 1600 years worth of people educated by them.
https://www.anselm.edu/campus-life/spiritual-life/benedictine-traditions
A non-apology.
Anonymous
05/17/2024 14:14
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.
The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.
I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...
yes, and he's telling the women that their "vocation" really starts when they become a wife and mother. So, you're a doctor or a supreme court judge or a CEO at a F500... bfd. Your vocation really starts when you get married and have kids.
Why are we supposed to care what some random football player thinks of our career choices? In the age of social media the wrong things go viral. It's so much performative outrage. His opinion does not matter in any way as the man is not a politician and doesn't own a business. It only affects his own family. We should care about men in Congress holding these views, and the real hurdles women still face in the workplace.
I don’t care what he thinks per se. Unfortunately he’s articulating an opinion that a disturbing number of voters want to impose on the rest of us.
You need to expand on this statement.
How is anything he said being "imposed" on you?
Project 25. MAGA wants to impose kuchen, kirche, kinder on every woman in the United States.
Anonymous
05/17/2024 14:12
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.
The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.
I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...
yes, and he's telling the women that their "vocation" really starts when they become a wife and mother. So, you're a doctor or a supreme court judge or a CEO at a F500... bfd. Your vocation really starts when you get married and have kids.
Why are we supposed to care what some random football player thinks of our career choices? In the age of social media the wrong things go viral. It's so much performative outrage. His opinion does not matter in any way as the man is not a politician and doesn't own a business. It only affects his own family. We should care about men in Congress holding these views, and the real hurdles women still face in the workplace.
I don’t care what he thinks per se. Unfortunately he’s articulating an opinion that a disturbing number of voters want to impose on the rest of us.
You need to expand on this statement.
How is anything he said being "imposed" on you?
Anonymous
05/17/2024 14:10
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.
The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.
I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...
yes, and he's telling the women that their "vocation" really starts when they become a wife and mother. So, you're a doctor or a supreme court judge or a CEO at a F500... bfd. Your vocation really starts when you get married and have kids.
Why are we supposed to care what some random football player thinks of our career choices? In the age of social media the wrong things go viral. It's so much performative outrage. His opinion does not matter in any way as the man is not a politician and doesn't own a business. It only affects his own family. We should care about men in Congress holding these views, and the real hurdles women still face in the workplace.
I don’t care what he thinks per se. Unfortunately he’s articulating an opinion that a disturbing number of voters want to impose on the rest of us.
Anonymous
05/17/2024 13:00
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.
The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.
I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...
yes, and he's telling the women that their "vocation" really starts when they become a wife and mother. So, you're a doctor or a supreme court judge or a CEO at a F500... bfd. Your vocation really starts when you get married and have kids.
Why are we supposed to care what some random football player thinks of our career choices? In the age of social media the wrong things go viral. It's so much performative outrage. His opinion does not matter in any way as the man is not a politician and doesn't own a business. It only affects his own family. We should care about men in Congress holding these views, and the real hurdles women still face in the workplace.
When it’s effectively the position of the GOP as well, yes, I think we’re entitled to care.
Anonymous
05/17/2024 12:45
Subject: NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.
The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.
I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...
yes, and he's telling the women that their "vocation" really starts when they become a wife and mother. So, you're a doctor or a supreme court judge or a CEO at a F500... bfd. Your vocation really starts when you get married and have kids.
Why are we supposed to care what some random football player thinks of our career choices? In the age of social media the wrong things go viral. It's so much performative outrage. His opinion does not matter in any way as the man is not a politician and doesn't own a business. It only affects his own family. We should care about men in Congress holding these views, and the real hurdles women still face in the workplace.