Anonymous wrote:It’s funny, I hate Taylor Swifts music and the manipulation she uses with her fans, but the craziness of this album may be the first sliver of respect I have ever had for her. It is the first time you see true emotion from her. Anger at her fans (who are in a trap she set with Easter eggs and para social relationships), anger at the world and a reckoning that she hates the traps of fame even as she embraces it. It makes her a little bit human. She also shows glimmers of being able to move on with the manuscript.

That said, I don’t like the sound of the album and I hate talk singing.

ALSO she is so manipulative I think it just means she is coming after alt rock fans like me to add to her fan base.

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Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

No, real artists think she’s unbelievably successful. Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, rock bands are amazed at her ability to write songs, perform, play instruments.

my son is a jazz pianist. Jazz musicians, love her music.

Even John Baptiste writes some “shake it off” types of songs.

Also there’s no musician on the face of the earth that doesn’t have a couple songs that some people don’t like.

Where is the space for people who hate her talk singing? Cause I need to be in it.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

It’s interesting. I think it’s about every girl that dated the wrong guy and what she says to her best friends and her dad who tell her he’s the wrong guy.. and she still doesn’t listen.

I can see that, but her fans are her friends. She has spied on them, stalked them on line, and invited them to secret parties. I think there is a line about wine moms too. So I see that, she resents the hell out of the fandom she created at times.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

It’s interesting. I think it’s about every girl that dated the wrong guy and what she says to her best friends and her dad who tell her he’s the wrong guy.. and she still doesn’t listen.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

No, real artists think she’s unbelievably successful. Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, rock bands are amazed at her ability to write songs, perform, play instruments.

my son is a jazz pianist. Jazz musicians, love her music.

Even John Baptiste writes some “shake it off” types of songs.

Also there’s no musician on the face of the earth that doesn’t have a couple songs that some people don’t like.

I see you have drank the Kool-Aid. Our leader is good, our leader is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.

No one is doubting her success. It is there in $$ numbers. I just disagree that talent is what drives that success.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

No, real artists think she’s unbelievably successful. Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, rock bands are amazed at her ability to write songs, perform, play instruments.

my son is a jazz pianist. Jazz musicians, love her music.

Even John Baptiste writes some “shake it off” types of songs.

Also there’s no musician on the face of the earth that doesn’t have a couple songs that some people don’t like.

Where is the space for people who hate her talk singing? Cause I need to be in it.

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

No, real artists think she’s unbelievably successful. Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, rock bands are amazed at her ability to write songs, perform, play instruments.

my son is a jazz pianist. Jazz musicians, love her music.

Even John Baptiste writes some “shake it off” types of songs.

Also there’s no musician on the face of the earth that doesn’t have a couple songs that some people don’t like.