Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 11:12     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
I'm a front-line physician older than you, and in a high risk category for COVID myself. I never stopped working with COVID+ patients throughout the pandemic, and I watched the ????show of a coordinated response.

I'm a soldier, sure. I buried colleagues.

I'm glad you didn't see the war. That would almost certainly have been too much for you.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 11:04     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


She can mask up as much as she wants. My problem is when she (with the help of the government) insists that I wear a mask so as not to potentially infect her. Then she is hurting me.


And where the F is this happening right now? THAT'S the paranoia.


Um, this very recently happened. I had to wear a mask at work until maybe eight months ago. As someone who is claustrophobic, it was a nightmare, a long flight a pure, unadulterated hell because I couldn’t even go outside to get a good breath.

The precedent is here, what’s to prevent all of those “who follow the science” from insisting on muzzles again? It’s hardly paranoia. It’s realism. Sorry, if that reality doesn’t fit your desired narrative that your dogma is not restraining the rights of other individuals who disagree with it.


Eight months ago? EIGHT MONTHS? That's "very recently?"

That's your paranoia talking.


Yes, as a 50 year old, eight months is very recent for me. It’s basically like yesterday. In an unprecedented turn, suddenly the federal government mandated the use of masks.

It’s not paranoid to worry that a bad precedent has been set. Either paranoia does not mean what you think it means. Or else, you’re being very obtuse. I can see there’s no point in trying to reason with you when you act like things that happened a couple of years ago are the distant past. You must be a good little soldier.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:58     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
^^ "Um."
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:58     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


She can mask up as much as she wants. My problem is when she (with the help of the government) insists that I wear a mask so as not to potentially infect her. Then she is hurting me.


And where the F is this happening right now? THAT'S the paranoia.


Um, this very recently happened. I had to wear a mask at work until maybe eight months ago. As someone who is claustrophobic, it was a nightmare, a long flight a pure, unadulterated hell because I couldn’t even go outside to get a good breath.

The precedent is here, what’s to prevent all of those “who follow the science” from insisting on muzzles again? It’s hardly paranoia. It’s realism. Sorry, if that reality doesn’t fit your desired narrative that your dogma is not restraining the rights of other individuals who disagree with it.


Eight months ago? EIGHT MONTHS? That's "very recently?"

That's your paranoia talking.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:55     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


This isn't paranoid to me. She's made the decision to eat in a restaurant, but to mask when she isn't eating. The five people near her table may not have covid, but one of the two people she passes by the buffet might. The odds might go the other way, but her decision to mask when it's convenient could still protect her in the end. ymmv.[/quote

You don't really understand how covid transmission work, do you? A passing two seconds versus 20 minutes in close proximity. Most people still masking exhibit no logic because they'll mask to the supermarket where there is acres of open space and rarely crowded but won't mask when family and friends are visiting at home. In short, they mask when there is approx 1% chance of getting covid but not when there is 10% or 20% chance. That's it in a nutshell.

Feel free to mask if you want but it does demonstrate a failure to grasp basic logic and rationality. You can't prevent others from raising eyebrows in amusement.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:43     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


She can mask up as much as she wants. My problem is when she (with the help of the government) insists that I wear a mask so as not to potentially infect her. Then she is hurting me.


And where the F is this happening right now? THAT'S the paranoia.


Um, this very recently happened. I had to wear a mask at work until maybe eight months ago. As someone who is claustrophobic, it was a nightmare, a long flight a pure, unadulterated hell because I couldn’t even go outside to get a good breath.

The precedent is here, what’s to prevent all of those “who follow the science” from insisting on muzzles again? It’s hardly paranoia. It’s realism. Sorry, if that reality doesn’t fit your desired narrative that your dogma is not restraining the rights of other individuals who disagree with it.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:33     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.


+100


Every vaccine for a contagious disease relies on herd immunity for effectiveness. Every single one.

Name any one that doesn't.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:32     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


She can mask up as much as she wants. My problem is when she (with the help of the government) insists that I wear a mask so as not to potentially infect her. Then she is hurting me.


And where the F is this happening right now? THAT'S the paranoia.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:31     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


She can mask up as much as she wants. My problem is when she (with the help of the government) insists that I wear a mask so as not to potentially infect her. Then she is hurting me.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:26     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.


+100
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:19     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.


This argument is "if brakes worked, you wouldn't need seat belts" level stupid.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:04     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


This isn't paranoid to me. She's made the decision to eat in a restaurant, but to mask when she isn't eating. The five people near her table may not have covid, but one of the two people she passes by the buffet might. The odds might go the other way, but her decision to mask when it's convenient could still protect her in the end. ymmv.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 09:59     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.


DP. Every vaccine for a contagious disease relies on herd immunity for effectiveness. Every single one.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 09:55     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 09:54     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Why so much emotional investment in what other people are doing? I don't even really register what other people are doing anymore, whether or not I am wearing a mask at the time.

You know why? Because I'm not deranged about the big boogymen of masks and vaccines.


+1. Some people have tattoos or weird piercings. Others have terrible haircuts. Others wear hats at the dinner table. Still others wear masks. Some do all of these things. No skin off my back.