Anonymous
11/23/2023 21:24
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.
Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.
Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.
They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.
Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.
Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.
He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.
The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.
Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 21:16
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Upper CC on the DC side in the 70’s and 80’s. Homes were not being built back then. They had been there for a very long time. Back then houses were for sale and were not bought for quite some time. Not because they were expensive. Back then, nobody wanted to live there. They wanted Bethesda or the MD side of CC. It was around 1991 I remember a real small house off Military and 32nd going for over a million. From there, it just got stupid on hosing prices. A lot of those homes are from the 40’s and 50’s
You are basically lying out of your a**. There were almost zero houses going for over $1MM in 1991…none. There is a small house being offered as we speak for $900k. The median price in 1991 was likely around $250k…and that is generous.
I live in Bethesda and my house was sold in ‘86 for $380k. My neighborhood would never be considered close to as prestigious as CCDC. So you’re wrong too.
What are you talking about…there has always been a premium for crossing the border into MD from DC, such that identical houses straddling Western Avenue were worth several hundred thousand $$$s more on the MD side.
My neighbor selling their 3000 sw ft house in CCDC for around $1.5MM paid $260k for the house in 1996.
Have you checked the resale value of your $380k Bethesda home?
Anonymous
11/23/2023 19:52
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Upper CC on the DC side in the 70’s and 80’s. Homes were not being built back then. They had been there for a very long time. Back then houses were for sale and were not bought for quite some time. Not because they were expensive. Back then, nobody wanted to live there. They wanted Bethesda or the MD side of CC. It was around 1991 I remember a real small house off Military and 32nd going for over a million. From there, it just got stupid on hosing prices. A lot of those homes are from the 40’s and 50’s
You are basically lying out of your a**. There were almost zero houses going for over $1MM in 1991…none. There is a small house being offered as we speak for $900k. The median price in 1991 was likely around $250k…and that is generous.
I live in Bethesda and my house was sold in ‘86 for $380k. My neighborhood would never be considered close to as prestigious as CCDC. So you’re wrong too.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 19:29
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.
Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.
Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.
They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.
Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.
Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.
He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.
The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 19:21
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Upper CC on the DC side in the 70’s and 80’s. Homes were not being built back then. They had been there for a very long time. Back then houses were for sale and were not bought for quite some time. Not because they were expensive. Back then, nobody wanted to live there. They wanted Bethesda or the MD side of CC. It was around 1991 I remember a real small house off Military and 32nd going for over a million. From there, it just got stupid on hosing prices. A lot of those homes are from the 40’s and 50’s
You are basically lying out of your a**. There were almost zero houses going for over $1MM in 1991…none. There is a small house being offered as we speak for $900k. The median price in 1991 was likely around $250k…and that is generous.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 19:06
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what about the door dash/uber eats drivers? I've never seen one park legally. I assume they'll double park as they do now and take up one of those lanes in the commercial areas.
What else are they supposed to do? Or do you want YOUR food delivery delayed by a driver circling around and around and around looking for a parking space that ends up being blocks away? Delivery drivers should have designated, 15 minute parking everywhere. They are parking for US not for themselves. We need them. We need to make their jobs as easy and cheap as possible, not hamper them with extra parking tickets.
This is why DDOT is changing most of Cleveland Park to 30 min limited parking. This is an innovative planning approach to be rolled out to other parts of DC, recognising that fewer people now drive to shop, eat and drink. Others rely on delivery services so scarce parking will re-orient to create more capacity for on-demand delivery and modern urban lifestyles. 30 minutes will ensure frequent parking turnover
Where's the data to support that fewer people who live in Wark 3 drive to shop, eat and drink? Compared to when?
Anonymous
11/23/2023 19:04
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:There also may be misguided “equity” notion at play here with the Connecticut Ave plan. Why should commuter traffic be directed primarily to use major avenues like Connecticut Ave which tend to have more renters who live in multifamily buildings? Why not spread the traffic burden more equitably including to streets where more single family homeowners live?
Because the main roads have infrastructure in place that helps with pedestrian safety. This includes traffic lights, cross walks and walk signals and, in some cases, crosswalk guards for schools. The other streets don't and this makes it far less safe for children.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 19:01
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.
Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.
Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.
They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.
Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.
At this point, I think it makes sense to vote the opposite of whatever Frumin wants.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 17:27
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
I grew up in Upper CC on the DC side in the 70’s and 80’s. Homes were not being built back then. They had been there for a very long time. Back then houses were for sale and were not bought for quite some time. Not because they were expensive. Back then, nobody wanted to live there. They wanted Bethesda or the MD side of CC. It was around 1991 I remember a real small house off Military and 32nd going for over a million. From there, it just got stupid on hosing prices. A lot of those homes are from the 40’s and 50’s
Anonymous
11/23/2023 15:37
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of historic districts that n Washington DC and most residents seem quite happy with them.
I wouldn’t say most residents are happy with them vs most residents tolerate them.
On the one hand, nobody moves into Georgetown planning to tear down an 18th century home and replace with a modern home.
However, CC has absolutely no common style and there are many homes built after 1980.
This is one person’s mission to impose their aesthetic in the population. Again, it has no popular support.
The area proposed has very few houses built after 1980 - the ones I can think of were duplexes that came after single family older homes were torn down.
There was at least one teardown/rebuild recently on Livingston. Another one is going on right now on Military rd. If you go down a few of the side streets between reno and conn ave, you can see some houses that are way more modern than others which were also teardowns. These projects would have have been sufficiently difficult to execute that they may not have happened if the area had the historical district designation on it previously.
So, I don’t care about tear downs…if someone wants to buy my house and tear it down, that’s their choice.
But again…those houses are already torn down and rebuilt which just further weakens the historic value of the neighborhood.
However there are many townhouse style homes on 39th, legation and elsewhere that are at best from the 1970s and more likely 1980s+. Maybe there was a structure before those were built…who gives a s**t.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 14:58
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.
Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.
Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.
Someone seems mega- (or MAGA?) obsessed with someone named Mary.
She's the one who signed the Historical District application... and also runs the chevy chase listserv... not exactly an unknown figure in the area
Anonymous
11/23/2023 14:56
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of historic districts that n Washington DC and most residents seem quite happy with them.
I wouldn’t say most residents are happy with them vs most residents tolerate them.
On the one hand, nobody moves into Georgetown planning to tear down an 18th century home and replace with a modern home.
However, CC has absolutely no common style and there are many homes built after 1980.
This is one person’s mission to impose their aesthetic in the population. Again, it has no popular support.
The area proposed has very few houses built after 1980 - the ones I can think of were duplexes that came after single family older homes were torn down.
There was at least one teardown/rebuild recently on Livingston. Another one is going on right now on Military rd. If you go down a few of the side streets between reno and conn ave, you can see some houses that are way more modern than others which were also teardowns. These projects would have have been sufficiently difficult to execute that they may not have happened if the area had the historical district designation on it previously.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 14:53
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.
Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.
Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.
They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.
Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.
Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.
He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.
Not sure siding with the pro defund the police and pro housing vouchers ANC and CM is a winning strategy in light of current conditions
Neither of those have anything to do with a historic district.
Luckily it is easy to side with private property rights and mindless regulations on getting a new window or door or exterior light or tons of other things.
It unites everyone of all persuasions in opposition.
How Trumpy. You’re either woefully ignorant or deliberately making SF$! up.
Nah…just pointing out the obvious…but you clearly are some old f**k that just wishes nothing would change.
This area is full of them. Well, for a few more years anyway.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 13:54
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of historic districts that n Washington DC and most residents seem quite happy with them.
I wouldn’t say most residents are happy with them vs most residents tolerate them.
On the one hand, nobody moves into Georgetown planning to tear down an 18th century home and replace with a modern home.
However, CC has absolutely no common style and there are many homes built after 1980.
This is one person’s mission to impose their aesthetic in the population. Again, it has no popular support.
The area proposed has very few houses built after 1980 - the ones I can think of were duplexes that came after single family older homes were torn down.
100% untrue at least for the part West of CT…and it doesn’t really matter why they exist, it’s that they exist and therefore aren’t remotely historic.
Anonymous
11/23/2023 12:58
Subject: Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of historic districts that n Washington DC and most residents seem quite happy with them.
I wouldn’t say most residents are happy with them vs most residents tolerate them.
On the one hand, nobody moves into Georgetown planning to tear down an 18th century home and replace with a modern home.
However, CC has absolutely no common style and there are many homes built after 1980.
This is one person’s mission to impose their aesthetic in the population. Again, it has no popular support.
I’m going to need a citation here.
All of the historic districts in DC are some of the most affluent areas of the city, which means that more people want to be there than to not be there.
The DC government needs to fund a grant program so that historic preservationists and neighborhood advocates in less advantaged parts of DC can document their history to create more landmarked properties and historic districts.
https://planning.dc.gov/page/about-historic-homeowner-grants