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Honestly, you and others should read it (gift link):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/glenn-youngkin-virginia-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.80w.4CzO.yTFgqYbU16P9&smid=url-share

It's not so much cheerleading for Youngkin as describing the space he could succeed in.

So much for that guy! His national aspirations are toast after sticking his name all over this campaign - in an off/off election year for VA - and then losing the legislature.

I do think that if Youngkin RINOs up and distances himself from MAGA, he could come back. But he clearly doesn’t have great political instincts. Going full MAGA was never going to work in VA.

Many people make the mistake and think that Youngkin won the election in 2021. In reality, McAuliffe lost the election. McAuliffe was a bad candidate that happened to espouse several very controversial and unpopular policies, ones that turned the moderate vote against him. Youngkin happened to be the beneficiary of McAuliffe's very bad campaign and candidacy.

And Youngkin's first two years in office clearly showed that he was not a good candidate either. Last night's results show that Virginians have turned purple and are not going back to being red.

The nation is very similar. There are large pockets of MAGA voters and cities full of progressive voters. And both groups have become more extreme and vocal. But they are still only about 30% and 35% respectively. The nation has has a very large and growing middle group of moderate voters spread all around the country. The number of voters who have left registering for a given political party and declaring themselves Independant has grown and is now the largest group of voters out there. And Youngkin has already shown that he campaigns as moderate, but governs as a MAGA. You can't put that cat back in the bag and he's essentially killed any national aspirations he might have.

+1 People want to read a lot into Youngkin's win about his strategy and his/GOP electability, but with every election since it's become increasingly clear that his was an outlier, not a trend. McAuliffe had some stupid soundbites about parents and schools that Youngkin was able to just play on repeat and capitalize on moderate parents' anger toward school management (just check out the FCPS board on DCUM).

Yep, posters can go ahead and hate, but spouse and I went Youngkin because the FCPS SB was outrageous during Covid…but went Democrat again this time around. I know several people like this. Youngkin’s victory wasn’t a sign of his broader electability. He captured a very specific moment in time.

So you were angry at a hyper local school board and elected a MAGA Governer? Someone needs to learn civics and what a Gov can do vs. school board. I mean, are you going to vote for President to pave your alley?

Yep, and like I said, we weren’t the only ones. How do you think he got elected? It was the NOVA SBs.

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Honestly, you and others should read it (gift link):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/glenn-youngkin-virginia-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.80w.4CzO.yTFgqYbU16P9&smid=url-share

It's not so much cheerleading for Youngkin as describing the space he could succeed in.

So much for that guy! His national aspirations are toast after sticking his name all over this campaign - in an off/off election year for VA - and then losing the legislature.

I do think that if Youngkin RINOs up and distances himself from MAGA, he could come back. But he clearly doesn’t have great political instincts. Going full MAGA was never going to work in VA.

Many people make the mistake and think that Youngkin won the election in 2021. In reality, McAuliffe lost the election. McAuliffe was a bad candidate that happened to espouse several very controversial and unpopular policies, ones that turned the moderate vote against him. Youngkin happened to be the beneficiary of McAuliffe's very bad campaign and candidacy.

And Youngkin's first two years in office clearly showed that he was not a good candidate either. Last night's results show that Virginians have turned purple and are not going back to being red.

The nation is very similar. There are large pockets of MAGA voters and cities full of progressive voters. And both groups have become more extreme and vocal. But they are still only about 30% and 35% respectively. The nation has has a very large and growing middle group of moderate voters spread all around the country. The number of voters who have left registering for a given political party and declaring themselves Independant has grown and is now the largest group of voters out there. And Youngkin has already shown that he campaigns as moderate, but governs as a MAGA. You can't put that cat back in the bag and he's essentially killed any national aspirations he might have.

+1 People want to read a lot into Youngkin's win about his strategy and his/GOP electability, but with every election since it's become increasingly clear that his was an outlier, not a trend. McAuliffe had some stupid soundbites about parents and schools that Youngkin was able to just play on repeat and capitalize on moderate parents' anger toward school management (just check out the FCPS board on DCUM).

Yep, posters can go ahead and hate, but spouse and I went Youngkin because the FCPS SB was outrageous during Covid…but went Democrat again this time around. I know several people like this. Youngkin’s victory wasn’t a sign of his broader electability. He captured a very specific moment in time.

So you were angry at a hyper local school board and elected a MAGA Governer? Someone needs to learn civics and what a Gov can do vs. school board. I mean, are you going to vote for President to pave your alley?

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Anonymous wrote:The OH ballot is going well according to exit polling.

Yup and turnout is much bigger than the august special election (unsurprisingly)

+1. My kid is attending college in OH and registered to vote there. He said huge turnout on the college campus. Not a shock, since the ballot issues are important to that age group.

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Honestly, you and others should read it (gift link):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/glenn-youngkin-virginia-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.80w.4CzO.yTFgqYbU16P9&smid=url-share

It's not so much cheerleading for Youngkin as describing the space he could succeed in.

So much for that guy! His national aspirations are toast after sticking his name all over this campaign - in an off/off election year for VA - and then losing the legislature.

I do think that if Youngkin RINOs up and distances himself from MAGA, he could come back. But he clearly doesn’t have great political instincts. Going full MAGA was never going to work in VA.

Many people make the mistake and think that Youngkin won the election in 2021. In reality, McAuliffe lost the election. McAuliffe was a bad candidate that happened to espouse several very controversial and unpopular policies, ones that turned the moderate vote against him. Youngkin happened to be the beneficiary of McAuliffe's very bad campaign and candidacy.

And Youngkin's first two years in office clearly showed that he was not a good candidate either. Last night's results show that Virginians have turned purple and are not going back to being red.

The nation is very similar. There are large pockets of MAGA voters and cities full of progressive voters. And both groups have become more extreme and vocal. But they are still only about 30% and 35% respectively. The nation has has a very large and growing middle group of moderate voters spread all around the country. The number of voters who have left registering for a given political party and declaring themselves Independant has grown and is now the largest group of voters out there. And Youngkin has already shown that he campaigns as moderate, but governs as a MAGA. You can't put that cat back in the bag and he's essentially killed any national aspirations he might have.

+1 People want to read a lot into Youngkin's win about his strategy and his/GOP electability, but with every election since it's become increasingly clear that his was an outlier, not a trend. McAuliffe had some stupid soundbites about parents and schools that Youngkin was able to just play on repeat and capitalize on moderate parents' anger toward school management (just check out the FCPS board on DCUM).

Yep, posters can go ahead and hate, but spouse and I went Youngkin because the FCPS SB was outrageous during Covid…but went Democrat again this time around. I know several people like this. Youngkin’s victory wasn’t a sign of his broader electability. He captured a very specific moment in time.

Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m happy with all these results because I think they trend towards moderatism. I’m a fairly disaffected Democrat who cannot vote Republican at all (J6, abortion, etc) and what I see in tonight’s returns is a rebuke of extremism.

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Anonymous wrote:Cheat sheet for Virginia results:

It would be GREAT if tonight ended up as a rebuke of Youngkin.

I don’t think the early returns look great for Dems unfortunately.

Put up some numbers that make you think that then.

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Honestly, you and others should read it (gift link):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/glenn-youngkin-virginia-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.80w.4CzO.yTFgqYbU16P9&smid=url-share

It's not so much cheerleading for Youngkin as describing the space he could succeed in.

So much for that guy! His national aspirations are toast after sticking his name all over this campaign - in an off/off election year for VA - and then losing the legislature.

I do think that if Youngkin RINOs up and distances himself from MAGA, he could come back. But he clearly doesn’t have great political instincts. Going full MAGA was never going to work in VA.

Many people make the mistake and think that Youngkin won the election in 2021. In reality, McAuliffe lost the election. McAuliffe was a bad candidate that happened to espouse several very controversial and unpopular policies, ones that turned the moderate vote against him. Youngkin happened to be the beneficiary of McAuliffe's very bad campaign and candidacy.

And Youngkin's first two years in office clearly showed that he was not a good candidate either. Last night's results show that Virginians have turned purple and are not going back to being red.

The nation is very similar. There are large pockets of MAGA voters and cities full of progressive voters. And both groups have become more extreme and vocal. But they are still only about 30% and 35% respectively. The nation has has a very large and growing middle group of moderate voters spread all around the country. The number of voters who have left registering for a given political party and declaring themselves Independant has grown and is now the largest group of voters out there. And Youngkin has already shown that he campaigns as moderate, but governs as a MAGA. You can't put that cat back in the bag and he's essentially killed any national aspirations he might have.

+1 People want to read a lot into Youngkin's win about his strategy and his/GOP electability, but with every election since it's become increasingly clear that his was an outlier, not a trend. McAuliffe had some stupid soundbites about parents and schools that Youngkin was able to just play on repeat and capitalize on moderate parents' anger toward school management (just check out the FCPS board on DCUM).

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Anonymous wrote:Cheat sheet for Virginia results:

It would be GREAT if tonight ended up as a rebuke of Youngkin.

I don’t think the early returns look great for Dems unfortunately.

Anonymous wrote:Even the good news for Republicans is bad news. Their only significant win was the incumbent Republican Governor of Mississippi getting 51.6% of the votes. If a Republican incumbent can’t break 52% in Mississippi, a lot of states and districts are in play all over the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

You can’t deny that most of the major outlets are carrying water for Trump/MAGA.

I don't think they are carrying water. I think the thing is that the D position is treated as the insider position - more closely scrutinized and picked apart, the way you do with your family more than with strangers. Rs are still treated like interesting oddities - covered more as feature subjects than anything else. I think it's just really actually da** hard to cover the Republican party - because they are SO weird, and SO unappealing, and full of such bizarre characters. It's almost just hard to believe that this is an actual group of people who hold 50% of hte offices in America! Like what do you even SAY about them?

But I do think that the media is doing a decent job covering the loss of abortion rights, and some other stuff. And they may be down on Ds in every article - but I think some of that is because these doom and gloom articles speak to OUR team's mood and concerns.

I don't think by and large they are - or mean to - carrying water for the Rs. Anyway, last night shows that even if they are, it doesn't really work (at least not all the time).

You tell the truth! These people are trying to destroy the country, because they are. Installing a theocracy, getting rid of our non political government, supporting corruption - these things are all antithetical to what America is supposed to be. Stop kid gloving people who have already attacked the country once.

Here’s a great example of the media doing the work of the GOP. I think we’d all agree that the GOP’s agenda was rebuked pretty hard yesterday, right? Not according to CNN! “5 Takeaways from new polls that reveal Biden’s challenges and Trump’s potential victory path.” That’s literally the headline. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/trump-biden-election-cnn-poll-takeaways/index.html

“A big night for Democrats Tuesday in state races only highlighted struggles Joe Biden faces in 2024 following polls suggesting he’s far less popular than his party.”

I mean what? You all can say the media isn’t working for the GOP, but I won’t believe you.

Polling data for the Kentucky governor's race consistently indicated Beshear as the favorite to win by at least a few percentage points and Beshear did exactly that. Data from those same polling sources have been indicating a very tight race between Trump and Biden with Trump favored by a small margin overall and also favored in some key swing states. Some media sources are suggesting this should be a concern for Democrats and that is fair and newsworthy reporting in my opinion. Should we just ignore the 2024 election polling data just because the data is not to our liking? Should we not be concerned about Biden's lack of support nationally relative to strong showings by Dem candidates in state and local races? Dems are performing better than usual in many places and in many races but they aren't necessarily out performing the pre-election polling data. Why should we assume Biden will outperform the polling data by enough to comfortably beat Trump? The support for Biden isn't currently aligned with the support for most other Democratic candidates and that should be a concern for Democrats. But yes of course, "fake news", "fake news"!

Nate Cohn had a piece about why these off year elections differ from the polls and yet the polls from last weekend can still be accurate. I just hope people realize what's at stake next year and vote Biden even if he's not their preferred candidate given the alternative. Similarly, maybe yesterday's results will create an enthusiasm gap for the more casual MAGA. Republicans apparently were focused on what went wrong and noted "hardline views on abortions are not supported by the general public, as well as other issues which are damaging the party's 2024 election hopes" https://www.newsweek.com/maga-gop-election-defeats-ohio-kentucky-virginia-1841869. It seems Democrats need to keep it front and center next year. And yes, that's still a lifetime in politics in terms of what could happen.

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Honestly, you and others should read it (gift link):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/glenn-youngkin-virginia-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.80w.4CzO.yTFgqYbU16P9&smid=url-share

It's not so much cheerleading for Youngkin as describing the space he could succeed in.

So much for that guy! His national aspirations are toast after sticking his name all over this campaign - in an off/off election year for VA - and then losing the legislature.

I do think that if Youngkin RINOs up and distances himself from MAGA, he could come back. But he clearly doesn’t have great political instincts. Going full MAGA was never going to work in VA.

Many people make the mistake and think that Youngkin won the election in 2021. In reality, McAuliffe lost the election. McAuliffe was a bad candidate that happened to espouse several very controversial and unpopular policies, ones that turned the moderate vote against him. Youngkin happened to be the beneficiary of McAuliffe's very bad campaign and candidacy.

And Youngkin's first two years in office clearly showed that he was not a good candidate either. Last night's results show that Virginians have turned purple and are not going back to being red.

The nation is very similar. There are large pockets of MAGA voters and cities full of progressive voters. And both groups have become more extreme and vocal. But they are still only about 30% and 35% respectively. The nation has has a very large and growing middle group of moderate voters spread all around the country. The number of voters who have left registering for a given political party and declaring themselves Independant has grown and is now the largest group of voters out there. And Youngkin has already shown that he campaigns as moderate, but governs as a MAGA. You can't put that cat back in the bag and he's essentially killed any national aspirations he might have.

+1 People want to read a lot into Youngkin's win about his strategy and his/GOP electability, but with every election since it's become increasingly clear that his was an outlier, not a trend. McAuliffe had some stupid soundbites about parents and schools that Youngkin was able to just play on repeat and capitalize on moderate parents' anger toward school management (just check out the FCPS board on DCUM).

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Honestly, you and others should read it (gift link):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/glenn-youngkin-virginia-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.80w.4CzO.yTFgqYbU16P9&smid=url-share

It's not so much cheerleading for Youngkin as describing the space he could succeed in.

So much for that guy! His national aspirations are toast after sticking his name all over this campaign - in an off/off election year for VA - and then losing the legislature.

I do think that if Youngkin RINOs up and distances himself from MAGA, he could come back. But he clearly doesn’t have great political instincts. Going full MAGA was never going to work in VA.

Many people make the mistake and think that Youngkin won the election in 2021. In reality, McAuliffe lost the election. McAuliffe was a bad candidate that happened to espouse several very controversial and unpopular policies, ones that turned the moderate vote against him. Youngkin happened to be the beneficiary of McAuliffe's very bad campaign and candidacy.

And Youngkin's first two years in office clearly showed that he was not a good candidate either. Last night's results show that Virginians have turned purple and are not going back to being red.

The nation is very similar. There are large pockets of MAGA voters and cities full of progressive voters. And both groups have become more extreme and vocal. But they are still only about 30% and 35% respectively. The nation has has a very large and growing middle group of moderate voters spread all around the country. The number of voters who have left registering for a given political party and declaring themselves Independant has grown and is now the largest group of voters out there. And Youngkin has already shown that he campaigns as moderate, but governs as a MAGA. You can't put that cat back in the bag and he's essentially killed any national aspirations he might have.