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Anonymous wrote:There are layers of trauma in here, starting with her alcoholic dad and dysfunctional household. Then the abortion and betrayal by JT. And then the media circus that surrounded her. It would be enough to break anyone. Its hard to separate a BPD diagnosis or something similar with just PTSD and chronic trauma. I wouldn't think of having a diagnosis as some sort of explanation for her behavior but more of a description of symptoms.

No, of course not. Most people are not broken by a difficult childhood and a bad breakup such that they are incapable of looking after themselves and need to be placed under conservatorship to make sure that meds are taken. You're getting carried away.

Most people don't have the intense media scrutiny she has, so it's impossible to know. Her husband wouldn't let her see her kids, although there wasn't a legal agreement, and her parents didn't help her. The paparazzi saw her try to get the kids. I would feel both ashamed and enraged having people with cameras who stood to gain $1m for a single shot witness that.

But, hey I guess you know exactly what you would have done. And, it would have been much more perfect.

The thing about paparazzi is that they are symbiotic. Stars who don't want to be around them move to places where they aren't. Stars who need attention have their publicists share their schedule

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Anonymous wrote:There are layers of trauma in here, starting with her alcoholic dad and dysfunctional household. Then the abortion and betrayal by JT. And then the media circus that surrounded her. It would be enough to break anyone. Its hard to separate a BPD diagnosis or something similar with just PTSD and chronic trauma. I wouldn't think of having a diagnosis as some sort of explanation for her behavior but more of a description of symptoms.

No, of course not. Most people are not broken by a difficult childhood and a bad breakup such that they are incapable of looking after themselves and need to be placed under conservatorship to make sure that meds are taken. You're getting carried away.

Most people don't have the intense media scrutiny she has, so it's impossible to know. Her husband wouldn't let her see her kids, although there wasn't a legal agreement, and her parents didn't help her. The paparazzi saw her try to get the kids. I would feel both ashamed and enraged having people with cameras who stood to gain $1m for a single shot witness that.

But, hey I guess you know exactly what you would have done. And, it would have been much more perfect.

Anonymous wrote:There are layers of trauma in here, starting with her alcoholic dad and dysfunctional household. Then the abortion and betrayal by JT. And then the media circus that surrounded her. It would be enough to break anyone. Its hard to separate a BPD diagnosis or something similar with just PTSD and chronic trauma. I wouldn't think of having a diagnosis as some sort of explanation for her behavior but more of a description of symptoms.

No, of course not. Most people are not broken by a difficult childhood and a bad breakup such that they are incapable of looking after themselves and need to be placed under conservatorship to make sure that meds are taken. You're getting carried away.

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Anonymous wrote:Placing a world-famous multi-millionaire under conservatorship is not a trivial thing to pull off. I’m not saying it was right, but there must have some serious problems.

It's interesting how people will argue about Micheal Over or Britney Spears deserved to be in conservatorship instead of whether they should exist in the first place

+100

I followed her on Insta and her body looks amazing. I want to know her dancing workout/stripper pole regimen, because she looks fantastic.

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Anonymous wrote:Nineteen is not really too young to have a baby.

Because even though you are still a teenager >> you also are legally a full-fledged adult.

I think Britney could have made it work.
Her sister did at sixteen after all.

I think it’s so sad how after they parted ways - Justin made that mean music video portraying himself as being totally in love w/Britney the entire relationship yet portraying her as the one who deceived him causing the breakup.

It was so unfair of him to cry victim when he also cheated on her.
He used her + their relationship to successfully promote his solo career and it was so wrong.

Yep. And he let Janet Jackson take the full fall for the Super Bowl mishap. He’s a complete jerk who will use and spit out women but then acts like a nice guy.

Absolutely dragged Britney through the mud to make himself look like the good guy and then when she turns around and talks about the abortion he says we shouldn't talk about the past like what an a**hole.

Excellent summary 👏👏👏

There are layers of trauma in here, starting with her alcoholic dad and dysfunctional household. Then the abortion and betrayal by JT. And then the media circus that surrounded her. It would be enough to break anyone. Its hard to separate a BPD diagnosis or something similar with just PTSD and chronic trauma. I wouldn't think of having a diagnosis as some sort of explanation for her behavior but more of a description of symptoms.

Anonymous wrote:As a mental health professional currently listening to the audiobook, it's clear to me from some of her earlier stories pre-abortion and pre-head shaving that she was exhibiting signs and symptoms of BPD. Especially the bit about morphing into character during Crossroads and also when she talked about her violent outbursts during pregnancy. She also admits to abusing Adderall, which for someone without ADHD can cause mania and aggression if abused.

Interesting. How do you tell the difference between BPD and cPTSD especially in someone raised by an alcoholic? Isn’t there disagreement in the mental health community about the difference between the two in cases where an adult was abused as a child?

Anonymous wrote:As a mental health professional currently listening to the audiobook, it's clear to me from some of her earlier stories pre-abortion and pre-head shaving that she was exhibiting signs and symptoms of BPD. Especially the bit about morphing into character during Crossroads and also when she talked about her violent outbursts during pregnancy. She also admits to abusing Adderall, which for someone without ADHD can cause mania and aggression if abused.

Is that what it is, do you think? How would you have treated it - or advised her to treat it - back at the Crossroads moment, or the JT breakup, if you were working with her?

As a mental health professional currently listening to the audiobook, it's clear to me from some of her earlier stories pre-abortion and pre-head shaving that she was exhibiting signs and symptoms of BPD. Especially the bit about morphing into character during Crossroads and also when she talked about her violent outbursts during pregnancy. She also admits to abusing Adderall, which for someone without ADHD can cause mania and aggression if abused.

She and her mom recently had a public exchange where Brit supposedly accused her mom of destroying/sold her cherished childhood dolls, journal, and also accused her mom of making profits on her own historic tell-all about Brit's 2008 public breakdown. Her mom denies the claims.
The article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12740417/Britney-Spears-RESPONDS-mom-Lynne-Spears-denial.html

I am listening to the audiobook of Britney's memoir - and just finished the abortion scene. It's really sad. She sounds like she wanted to have this baby, wanted to marry Justin - and is still so hurt at his betrayal of her.

I don't have any moral feelings about abortion. I'm very pro choice and feel that option should be open to women who want and need it. But it does sound like in this case, she was coerced into it by someone who did not love her the way she loved him. And then the whole thing with JT ended up sending her down a really dark path.

She portrays herself as very passive and reactive in nearly every way up until this point in the book. I don't know if she sees herself that way - but it's hard not to view her as always feeling like things are happening to her, rather than her making things happen.

I also don't know if she was unwell before JT betrayed her. The book feels as if she was great, then he hurt her, then she sort of got out of control. But I don't know if that's actually the case.

In any case, this is a very sad book. The moments where she seems to be enjoying herself and having fun are lovely - and the rest of it is very difficult.

Anonymous wrote:Placing a world-famous multi-millionaire under conservatorship is not a trivial thing to pull off. I’m not saying it was right, but there must have some serious problems.

It's interesting how people will argue about Micheal Over or Britney Spears deserved to be in conservatorship instead of whether they should exist in the first place

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Anonymous wrote: “Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.”

Do you think that if Britney wrote this instead of Taylor, she would have been lauded for shaving her head?
Is it more about the fact that Britney grew up without a strong support system, so she wasn’t able to express herself like Taylor even though the act of cutting hair was very similar and done for similar purposes: a young woman expressing herself.

Why has one earned a billion dollars and the other the scorn of society?
Why do you think that is DCUM?

Taylor really benefited the pop stars that came before her I think that that gave her a road map of things to avoid. I also think that she benefited from social media and the ability to have her own narratives and create mystery for the fans and media to follow.

I think that one of the biggest factors is that Taylor had to seemingly supportive parents who were independently wealthy and they eere not relying on her as their meal ticket. I think that they've had the money to invest in her and also help her make wise business decisions

I think Britney and Taylor motivated by different Taylor things I think Britney likes to be the performer whereas Taylor is more of a creator. Very emotionally connected to the songs that she wrote and wanted to have ownership over them which is why she really really lost all of her albums. Not saying this to criticize either person I just think they're motivated by different things artistically

I agree with a lot of what you say. I just think Taylor is given a lot of god-like qualities from her fans. I think Taylor should acknowledge other women who went through hell so she could have it easy and acknowledge her family made it easy as well. She is benefiting from a TON of privilege she has only just begun to understand. (At least in the Ms. Americana video). She irritates me for this reason- that she doesn’t understand how easy her road has been.

I disagree that Britney is just a performer. I just started listening to her book and she really wants to be more than just a performer, but in order to survive her childhood she had to earn money and be a performer. There wasn’t a fall back, she was in many senses the breadwinner of her family from a very young age. (At 9 she was entertaining in a restaurant).

I think Britney’s Everytime song and video are and example that she is a creator also. It is easy to be a creative when you have unlimited backing, and much more difficult to do so when YOU are a child supporting your family.

Good points. Again I'm not criticizing or diminishing Britney's talents. She said in her own book she was more motivated by the joy of performing. I don't know if she's in a place now where she feels more comfortable to create she's no longer in a terrible abusive conservatorship

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Anonymous wrote: “Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.”

Do you think that if Britney wrote this instead of Taylor, she would have been lauded for shaving her head?
Is it more about the fact that Britney grew up without a strong support system, so she wasn’t able to express herself like Taylor even though the act of cutting hair was very similar and done for similar purposes: a young woman expressing herself.

Why has one earned a billion dollars and the other the scorn of society?
Why do you think that is DCUM?

Taylor really benefited the pop stars that came before her I think that that gave her a road map of things to avoid. I also think that she benefited from social media and the ability to have her own narratives and create mystery for the fans and media to follow.

I think that one of the biggest factors is that Taylor had to seemingly supportive parents who were independently wealthy and they eere not relying on her as their meal ticket. I think that they've had the money to invest in her and also help her make wise business decisions

I think Britney and Taylor motivated by different Taylor things I think Britney likes to be the performer whereas Taylor is more of a creator. Very emotionally connected to the songs that she wrote and wanted to have ownership over them which is why she really really lost all of her albums. Not saying this to criticize either person I just think they're motivated by different things artistically

I agree with a lot of what you say. I just think Taylor is given a lot of god-like qualities from her fans. I think Taylor should acknowledge other women who went through hell so she could have it easy and acknowledge her family made it easy as well. She is benefiting from a TON of privilege she has only just begun to understand. (At least in the Ms. Americana video). She irritates me for this reason- that she doesn’t understand how easy her road has been.

I disagree that Britney is just a performer. I just started listening to her book and she really wants to be more than just a performer, but in order to survive her childhood she had to earn money and be a performer. There wasn’t a fall back, she was in many senses the breadwinner of her family from a very young age. (At 9 she was entertaining in a restaurant).

I think Britney’s Everytime song and video are and example that she is a creator also. It is easy to be a creative when you have unlimited backing, and much more difficult to do so when YOU are a child supporting your family.

You can’t compare the career and life path of someone with severe mental illness with someone who doesn’t. It’s just not fair.

Additionally, Brittany was always a popstar/dancer first. Taylor has always been a songwriter first. There’s a difference there.

I’m not convinced most of Britney’s mental illness isn’t PTSD from having an alcoholic Dad and horrible treatment from the media. Abuse changes the DNA sequences that can be turned on and off and generational abuse is a probably a factor here for her.

And I’m still left wondering why after all of Taylor’s victimhood from all the misogyny she has faced in the record world gets so much sympathy from her fans when she is standing on the shoulders of the women pop stars before her. Women who faced even more abuse and bad press than Taylor did. I’m not trying to take away from what she has felt. I am trying to understand why she or her fans RARELY if ever acknowledge the work that came before her.

Maybe a song about that would be helpful instead of her next heartbreak.