Anonymous
10/04/2023 13:10
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
We can’t save you from yourselves.
The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.
McCarthy isn’t a moderate. The fact that he seems to you to be is suggestive of a creeping Overton window.
Politics is about compromise, and electing people who will move your agenda forward. What elements of the Democratic agenda do you think McCarthy should have agreed to move forward in order to secure their votes?
No McCarthy is not a moderate. I agree that he is a die-hard Conservative. But, McCarthy is one of the few Republicans who are actually willing to negotiate. Not only negotiate, but he is just as willing to discard promises he makes to his own party members as he is to the opposing party members. With McCarthy, everyone understands that the current deal on the table is the only deal that he will honor and only until it makes it into print where he will be bound to it. If it doesn't make it to print, you can pretty much expect him not to honor it.
But the fact remains that you will never get any of the 221 Republicans to vote for a Democrat and so the Republican that will negotiate is about the only choice for the next 15 months. If you don't, then you'll end up with the government shutting down from Nov 17 to Jan 2 and then the automatic CR at 8% drop for guns and butter spending. And that will be it until the next election. We have a dysfunctional Congress and the man who is willing to betray everyone is about the best deal that anyone can actually get passed.
So, despite him pandering to the cameras about not wanting the job and not being willing to negotiate with the Democrats, McCarthy is likely lying about those and I expect some closed-door negotiation that will come to a Ukraine deal and an appropriations deal in exchange for Democrats voting him back into the speakership.
No McCarthy was just a puppet. You think Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik did not get everything they wanted? Lol
Anonymous
10/04/2023 13:04
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."
Americans should be scared and not the dems. This is what Americans voted after watching J6. What are the republicans going to do…pass a bill?
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:55
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."
House Democrats aren’t scared of any Republican Speaker. I wish those dumbasses would pick Trump. He wouldn’t last a month.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:50
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."
Why are Democrats always called on to save the GOP from its own lunacy?
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:50
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:wait, didn't McCarthy say he rejected a deal with dems to save his speakership. I swore that came out on the news last night.
And Frank Luntz emotional washout against the dems last night for not saving McCarthy was hilarious. Buddy, get a clue.
Yes he said yesterday he was not willing to make a deal to save his speakership.
There was no deal to be had. He's offered the radical right everything but hookers and blow.
+1 Then he gets up there and says the one member can request a vote to vacate the chair rule is bad WHEN HE’S THE ONE WHO AGREED TO IT.
And he blamed Nancy Pelosi for encouraging him to accept that rule. That made me laugh.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:49
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."
Help the guy shitting all over you because the next guy has diarrhea.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:40
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."
Moral thing!
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:33
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:28
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.
But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?
It takes two to tango, you know.
Let me explain it to you then. The opposition party never votes for the majority party’s candidate for speaker because they don’t support his policies.
Thats fine, but this will be on the Dems when CR is over in 45 days and republicans could not elect a house speaker.
Sure, Democrats control the house, that's why it would be on them /s
Anonymous
10/04/2023 12:05
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:this notion of McCarthy getting the speakership is dead. At this point, he wants to punish dems. so he's hoping for the likes of Jim Jordan to be speaker.
Punish Dems! When it's members of his own party who did this to him - and he refused to even negotiate with Dems to save his job!! And he proved over and over he couldn't be trusted!!!
It smacks of when a marriage breaks up due to cheating and the faithful spouse blames the other woman or the other man instead of the spouse.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 11:59
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
McCarthy didn’t put the Continuing Resolution on the floor as a favor or concession to Democrats. He did it because he and his caucus had painted themselves into a corner again and were being blamed and ridiculed by everyone for less than doing nothing to prevent the impending government shutdown, while the Senate had a bipartisan 45-day Continuing Resolution that would pass the House if he allowed a vote on it. He had no plan, so he caved and put his own CR with less stuff than the Senate bill to a vote to buy time until his next self-inflicted crisis. Democrats don’t owe McCarthy anything. He’s incompetent.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 11:55
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:this notion of McCarthy getting the speakership is dead. At this point, he wants to punish dems. so he's hoping for the likes of Jim Jordan to be speaker.
Punish Dems! When it's members of his own party who did this to him - and he refused to even negotiate with Dems to save his job!! And he proved over and over he couldn't be trusted!!!
Ironically proving to all that the Dems were right not to support him.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 11:47
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:this notion of McCarthy getting the speakership is dead. At this point, he wants to punish dems. so he's hoping for the likes of Jim Jordan to be speaker.
Punish Dems! When it's members of his own party who did this to him - and he refused to even negotiate with Dems to save his job!! And he proved over and over he couldn't be trusted!!!
Anonymous
10/04/2023 11:44
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
this notion of McCarthy getting the speakership is dead. At this point, he wants to punish dems. so he's hoping for the likes of Jim Jordan to be speaker.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 11:44
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.
But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?
It takes two to tango, you know.
No. McCarthy never could be the Democrats choice for Speaker and they have no reason to save him. He did nothing moderate or bipartisan or nonpartisan. He put lunatics in charge of committees. He set an extreme agenda and did not allow Democratic amendments. He did not make any attempt to get the House to even consider bipartisan or nonpartisan bills that could plausibly negotiate with the Senate and White House. Stop gaslighting that McCarthy was a reasonable centrist. He was an incompetent ideologue who failed to honor the deals he made and couldn’t deliver votes or count votes, the most essential requirements to be Speaker.