Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:39
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is only an obsession for a small slice of the UMC, who are concerned that their kids won't be able to maintain the same SES as them, if they can't get onto one of these top schools. The truly rich don't care too much, since they can either donate enough to their school of choice to get their kids admitted, or they're so rich that it doesn't really matter where their kids go to school (or even if they attend at all). The middle class and working class know these schools are out of reach, except for truly exceptional circumstances, so they don't even bother trying.
My wife and I have 3 Ivy league degrees between us, and it;s certainly helped our careers. But, unless something really exceptional happens in the next few years, our kids are likely going to end up at one of the second tier Virginia public universities. In some ways, it's a relief that we don't have to stress too much about it.
My spouse has an undergrad ivy degree and I have two undergrad degrees from a T10 school (non-Ivy), we both have masters from T20 (in T5 for CS/EE/STEM). Besides getting our first jobs out of undergrad because the company hired at our schools, we have neither ever used where we attended to get ahead, we have not needed to. What we have done on the job and the connections we built at the jobs is what got us to where we are. Also, at that first job, we worked alongside new hires earning the same as us who went to big state schools, small not well known privates, and other "elite schools".
Once you land your first job, the connections you make on the job typically go way farther than any connections from college.
this is true, but your Ivy degree initially opened the door wider and faster than for those who went to lesser schools.
I say this as someone who went to no name u and did end up next to Ivy type colleagues, but it took me a lot longer to get there.
No it really didn't-- the company hired from Rutgers and other state schools and some smaller unknown engineering schools as well as T50 schools. It did not open the door wider and faster---Our "hiring class" (Company hired people and then you work summer and then off to graduate for MS degree) contained kids from a variety of schools--besides large state like Rutgers (not highly ranked in the 90s) and some smaller schools now ranked in the ~150s, so by definition "lesser schools". We all got paid the same.
Beyond that we got everywhere by our hard work and connections we made thru the jobs. Never did "what school we attended" matter, and we were good enough we never needed to use our university alumni connections to get somewhere.
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:35
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have several female friends who went to Harvard undergrad.
All got great jobs out of college: venture capitalist, editor at a publishing house, microfinance, investment banking. One went on to Harvard Law then was an associate at a top NYC firm.
Then they had kids....
ALL of them have mommy tracked themselves if they stayed in the same field. One completely changed careers to something more family friendly. Two aren't even working any more because of family needs.
My point is, yes, going to a top school can set you up for a great career but you may not want to stay there. All of those women are exactly where many other moms have ended up, despite the college they attended.
So…are you basically saying women for the most part still go to college for their MRS degree? Sure sounds like it.
Smart and mature young men and women prioritize meeting a spouse in college. Dating around after college on apps full of random weirdos is frankly disgusting. Quickly settling down in your 20s should be emphasized by all parents.
Not anymore. Kids graduate at 21 or 22 then they go to graduate school. Nobody is meeting spouses in college anymore.
Mature young people who prioritize getting married meet in graduate school.
What are people who go to graduate school in a heavily gendered field supposed to do? Hit the apps?
They do the meet-ups with the other graduate programs at their school that are heavily gendered in the other direction--or are more balanced in gender.
In Boston, there are grad school meet-ups for within schools and across Harvard, MIT, BU, Tufts combined etc. I already had a partner, but there were so many people getting married across grad programs. There were definitely some people -- male and female--who had a secondary curriculum of finding a life partner during grad school. There were so many engagements and weddings.
The famous MRS degree.
Why is your post so sexistly one sided?
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:33
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have several female friends who went to Harvard undergrad.
All got great jobs out of college: venture capitalist, editor at a publishing house, microfinance, investment banking. One went on to Harvard Law then was an associate at a top NYC firm.
Then they had kids....
ALL of them have mommy tracked themselves if they stayed in the same field. One completely changed careers to something more family friendly. Two aren't even working any more because of family needs.
My point is, yes, going to a top school can set you up for a great career but you may not want to stay there. All of those women are exactly where many other moms have ended up, despite the college they attended.
So…are you basically saying women for the most part still go to college for their MRS degree? Sure sounds like it.
Smart and mature young men and women prioritize meeting a spouse in college. Dating around after college on apps full of random weirdos is frankly disgusting. Quickly settling down in your 20s should be emphasized by all parents.
Not anymore. Kids graduate at 21 or 22 then they go to graduate school. Nobody is meeting spouses in college anymore.
Mature young people who prioritize getting married meet in graduate school.
What are people who go to graduate school in a heavily gendered field supposed to do? Hit the apps?
They do the meet-ups with the other graduate programs at their school that are heavily gendered in the other direction--or are more balanced in gender.
In Boston, there are grad school meet-ups for within schools and across Harvard, MIT, BU, Tufts combined etc. I already had a partner, but there were so many people getting married across grad programs. There were definitely some people -- male and female--who had a secondary curriculum of finding a life partner during grad school. There were so many engagements and weddings.
The famous MRS degree.
Very different in grad school vs undergrad. Grad students are more mature, have figured out what they want out of life and yes, will likely want to date/marry someone with similar aspirations---so it's the same thing as dating someone from the company you work for (if you didn't go to grad school). Very different when 25 yo are looking for a partner than when a 19yo is
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:29
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:More recruiting is being done from UMich and the like vs. Ivies. Ivy grads aren't working out and you can deduce why.
Define "more recruiting"? More hires for any job? Yes, large schools tend to have more people who are getting jobs.
Please be specific on why you think Ivy grads aren't "working out" as well as the data that supports that. (I presume you mean working right out of college.)
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:25
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Banking: they only hire from target schools. Guess which ones they are…the usual top 10.
More like top 25 but OK...
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:23
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Elites make up a large percentage of students at Ivys and they use this preserve their status as elites. Denying the reality that most of the American ruling class comes from elite institutions is nonsensical. Check out the book “Poison Ivy” if you are interested in seeing how the elite colleges perpetthis cycle. It is 100% rational to target an IVy for the best chance of your child climbing the socioeconomic ladder.
However, it is still possible to attend a lower prestige college (or no college) and have a very nice life. There are plenty of plumbers, cops, nurses, etc who earn a very good living and can afford a nice life style. It’s all abo it what you prioritize.
Stupid take. I went to “lower prestige” college and grad school and I don’t have a prole job like plumber or cop. I work in an office and I make much more than plumber / cop / nurse money. “It’s either Yale or spend your life unclogging toilets but that’s okay” is an asinine and incorrect message.
Ivy grads are overrepresented in leadership positions in law, government, and industry but in fact most such leaders are NOT Ivy grads.
My my, someone is feeling defensive. Why is that?
Yes, it is certainly possible to become part of the ruling class without attending an elite institution. However, the likelihood of doing so is much lower than if someone attended Stanford, Yale, etc.
It’s too bad that your “lower prestige” school failed to teach you reading comprehension
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:12
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Elites make up a large percentage of students at Ivys and they use this preserve their status as elites. Denying the reality that most of the American ruling class comes from elite institutions is nonsensical. Check out the book “Poison Ivy” if you are interested in seeing how the elite colleges perpetthis cycle. It is 100% rational to target an IVy for the best chance of your child climbing the socioeconomic ladder.
However, it is still possible to attend a lower prestige college (or no college) and have a very nice life. There are plenty of plumbers, cops, nurses, etc who earn a very good living and can afford a nice life style. It’s all abo it what you prioritize.
Stupid take. I went to “lower prestige” college and grad school and I don’t have a prole job like plumber or cop. I work in an office and I make much more than plumber / cop / nurse money. “It’s either Yale or spend your life unclogging toilets but that’s okay” is an asinine and incorrect message.
Ivy grads are overrepresented in leadership positions in law, government, and industry but in fact most such leaders are NOT Ivy grads.
Sorry hun, but unless you are a CEO, your 250K “office job” is likely much closer to a nurse or cop than an elite.
And who says prole job? Go back to Reddit, we are laughing at you.
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:07
Subject: Re:I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Your school didn't teach you about the concept of rates?
"Ivy grads are overrepresented in leadership positions in law, government, and industry but in fact most such leaders are NOT Ivy grads."
"Ivy grads are overrepresented in leadership positions in law, government, and industry but in fact most such leaders are NOT Ivy grads."
Anonymous
09/30/2023 12:00
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
More recruiting is being done from UMich and the like vs. Ivies. Ivy grads aren't working out and you can deduce why.
Anonymous
09/30/2023 11:36
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Elites make up a large percentage of students at Ivys and they use this preserve their status as elites. Denying the reality that most of the American ruling class comes from elite institutions is nonsensical. Check out the book “Poison Ivy” if you are interested in seeing how the elite colleges perpetthis cycle. It is 100% rational to target an IVy for the best chance of your child climbing the socioeconomic ladder.
However, it is still possible to attend a lower prestige college (or no college) and have a very nice life. There are plenty of plumbers, cops, nurses, etc who earn a very good living and can afford a nice life style. It’s all abo it what you prioritize.
Stupid take. I went to “lower prestige” college and grad school and I don’t have a prole job like plumber or cop. I work in an office and I make much more than plumber / cop / nurse money. “It’s either Yale or spend your life unclogging toilets but that’s okay” is an asinine and incorrect message.
Ivy grads are overrepresented in leadership positions in law, government, and industry but in fact most such leaders are NOT Ivy grads.
Anonymous
09/30/2023 11:32
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Anybody who says tippy top school obviously didn’t go to one.
+1
Anonymous
09/30/2023 11:24
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Elites make up a large percentage of students at Ivys and they use this preserve their status as elites. Denying the reality that most of the American ruling class comes from elite institutions is nonsensical. Check out the book “Poison Ivy” if you are interested in seeing how the elite colleges perpetthis cycle. It is 100% rational to target an IVy for the best chance of your child climbing the socioeconomic ladder.
However, it is still possible to attend a lower prestige college (or no college) and have a very nice life. There are plenty of plumbers, cops, nurses, etc who earn a very good living and can afford a nice life style. It’s all abo it what you prioritize.
However, it is still possible to attend a lower prestige college (or no college) and have a very nice life. There are plenty of plumbers, cops, nurses, etc who earn a very good living and can afford a nice life style. It’s all abo it what you prioritize.
Anonymous
09/30/2023 10:50
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anonymous wrote:Banking: they only hire from target schools. Guess which ones they are…the usual top 10.
You have zero evidence to back up your claim.
Anonymous
09/30/2023 10:42
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Banking: they only hire from target schools. Guess which ones they are…the usual top 10.
Anonymous
09/30/2023 10:39
Subject: I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes
Anybody who says tippy top school obviously didn’t go to one.