Anonymous wrote:USNews changed the methodology to such a degree to makes these rankings almost useless. Thinks like class size or the academic qualifications of instructors no longer matter. At all. What really matters are the graduation rates of Pelll Grant recipients. Maybe that matters to you. But for most families, it's not something they're looking at when determining the quality of a university.

So a large state like California with a lot of income disparity in their public colleges is going to do great in these measurements..All the UCs - with the exception of Merced - are now top 35 schools. UC Irvine is ranked higher than NYU and Tufts. Rutgers is a top 40 school now. And Wake Forest drops nearly 20 spots to 47.

USNews is no longer measuring the academic quality of schools, but their perceived "social good." It such be read as such.

I have little doubt that the qualifications of the faculty at the UC schools, Rutgers, etc are every bit as good and probably better than those at schools like Wake.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. It looks like business at UVA fell out of the top ten.

It’s really pathetic that you went and looked up specifically business rankings and then paid to get access to below 10! The green eyed monster certainly has you! And it’s no 3 with the Wall Street Journal by the way

UVA business has been declining for years.

Anonymous wrote:And somehow Duke

went up - the epitome of rich school anti social mobility with the lowest percent of pell grants among the top 20 privates

+100 such poo cake

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Washu and NYU down 10 spots. I don't understand that.

They should come down 10 more.

Sour grapes much?

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame remains in top 20 despite the constant chatter that they will be knocked down lol.

It will as the swell to get of legacy admissions continues.

LOL just like every other elite top 20. It's not going anywhere below where it is. It hasn't for decades. I know that triggers you lol.

It literally dropped 2 spots to 20, it can easily drop another next year.

I can see ND falling out of the top 20 next year.

Yes, likely.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. It looks like business at UVA fell out of the top ten.

It’s really pathetic that you went and looked up specifically business rankings and then paid to get access to below 10! The green eyed monster certainly has you! And it’s no 3 with the Wall Street Journal by the way

I didn’t need to pay for anything. UVA wasn’t listed in the top ten, so I stopped searching. It’s really not very time consuming and quite obvious that you didn’t think through your comments.

The reworked formula assigned greater emphasis to graduation rates for students who received need-based Pell grants and retention. It also introduced metrics tied to first-generation college students and to whether recent graduates were earning more than people who had completed only high school.

“The company discarded five factors that often favored wealthy colleges and together made up 18 percent of a school’s score, including undergraduate class sizes, alumni giving rates and high school class standing.

This year’s formula, which relied more on data sources beyond submissions by schools, also gave less weight to overall graduation rates and financial resources per student, which examines how much, on average, a university spends per student on costs like instruction and research.” -NY Times

The rankings no longer focus on education or reputation but mostly focus on how schools help lower income and underrepresented students. I wonder if the change will finally break DCUM’s obsession with these rankings?

Honestly, and perhaps this is an unpopular opinion, this is the most “accurate” ranking of colleges I’ve seen, perhaps ever, from US News.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ra...2024?&tab=indicators

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

Vandy and Emory ranking quite low on both

Notre Dame 201-250

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Washu and NYU down 10 spots. I don't understand that.

They should come down 10 more.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ra...2024?&tab=indicators

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

Vandy and Emory ranking quite low on both

THE has a US undergrad ranking which would be the relevant comparison:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Duke
6. Brown
7. Caltech
8. Princeton
9. Johns Hopkins
9. Northwestern
11. Cornell
12. UPenn
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Vanderbilt
16. Columbia
17. WashU
18. Rice
19. USC
[/b]20. Emory[b]

This is honestly pretty close to US News’ latest ranking. The only major difference in the T20 is Princeton and UPenn are much higher on US News, while USC isn’t even a T25 on US News.

Vanderbilt is ranked 98 and Emory 82 in the Times Higher Education ranking

Nope, look at their undergrad rankings: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/rankings/united-states/2022

This is the correct ranking from THE US rank 2023 (not the 2022 you use). Vandy is 34.
1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 California Institute of Technology
5 Princeton University
6 University of California
7 Yale University
8 Columbia University
9 The University of Chicago
10 University of Pennsylvania
11 Johns Hopkins University
12 Cornell University
13 University of California
14 University of Michigan
15 New York University
16 Duke University
=17 Northwestern University
=17 University of Washington
19 Carnegie Mellon
20 UCSD
21 Georgia Institute of Technology
22 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
23 University of Texas at Austin
24 Washington University in St Louis
25 Brown University
26 University of California, Davis
27 University of California
28 University of Southern California
29 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
30 Boston University
31 University of Wisconsin-Madison
32 Emory University
33 University of California, Irvine
34 Vanderbilt University

No… you don’t understand. You keep referring to (and just listed) the US graduate school rankings of THE, the other one is the US undergrad ranking of THE. They just haven’t updated it since last year yet but at least use the undergrad ranking so we can compare apples to apples. Just look at the title, it says US Colleges: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/rankings/united-states/2022

Anonymous wrote:Vandy falling 5 spots, and WashU falling 10. That's crazy.

They should have fallen much more.

Anonymous wrote:UN finally overtook UVA. It was just a matter of time. Next year UF will probably equal/pass UVA as well

Yes, let's have real rankings.

Anonymous wrote:It always fascinates me how many people get so involved over this each year when most parents on here are going to have kids who just try to get into a decent state school and save some money. Most of our kids aren’t going for Harvard or Duke, so why the obsession?

It's an anonymous board which tends to bring out the worst in people.

Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

This ranking has now become useless for many families now. Previously a high achieving student could look at this ranking and got a good feel for where similarly academically gifted, well connected, will heeled students were headed. Such a student could get a good feel for academic reputation, class sizes and where students in similar circumstances had the most opportunities for undergrad research.

But catering to such families is considered racist and politically incorrect now, so US News has thrown these parents and students under the bus and opted to focus on Pell Grant students and their needs while abandoning metrics that really matter for the academically gifted student.

That is why many over crowded, financially strapped public universities that don't primarily focus on academic experience above all else have risen in the rankings.

Virtue signaling at it's worst, but it won't help the magazine. They will still become irrelevant very soon because they actually tried to straddle the fence instead of just picking "accessibility" metrics totally and so, will still piss off the folks they are trying to please while also pissing off the folks who actually found their older model useful previously