Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:50
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.
Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.
Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.
If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.
Keep up the extreme tourism if people want, but no public funds should be spent on rescue missions.
We have children and adults in this country that do not have enough food to eat, yet we instead divert funds to the Coast Guard to spend money on rescuing these idiots.
So I will ask again, I take it you don’t think the USCG should rescue crab fisherman either! Nice name calling by the way. I guess those who consume king crab are also idiots.
You truly are dumb if you cannot understand the difference between fisherman and this vanity tourism. Stop while you’re ahead because the comparison you “think” you’re making is just embarrassing for you.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:50
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
In early 2021, Hamish Harding took his teenage son in another submersible into the Mariana Trench.
Thank goodness another teen was not on this voyage.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSM1GzkNTiF/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Thank goodness another teen was not on this voyage.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSM1GzkNTiF/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:49
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
This parallels the whole Titanic story. It is chilling to think that more people may die because of the Titanic. So sad.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:48
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
If you are willing and able to pay $250,000 to take a ride in an unregulated makeshift sub, operated by a playstation controller I don’t feel sorry for you. They signed waivers indicating that death was a possibility. They were aware, or should have been aware of the inherent risks.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:47
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
The thread says that there is no one there. Someone nearby said they closed up a few weeks ago as they all left for the current Titanic mission.
My takeaway was that this is a tiny operation. There's not a lab of scientists or engineers or safety people or lawyers or anything one might expect to find. Those folks might exist elsewhere. Or maybe not.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:47
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.
Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.
Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.
If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.
Keep up the extreme tourism if people want, but no public funds should be spent on rescue missions.
We have children and adults in this country that do not have enough food to eat, yet we instead divert funds to the Coast Guard to spend money on rescuing these idiots.
So I will ask again, I take it you don’t think the USCG should rescue crab fisherman either! Nice name calling by the way. I guess those who consume king crab are also idiots.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:45
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.
Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.
Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.
If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.
Great, but what about the people who are rescuing them? and the taxpayers paying that bill? It's not all about the people who went.
Rescue costs addressed in a prior post. They are a (no pun intended) sunk cost because the rescue units need to train constantly. Real operations are even better than scenario training.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:44
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Ehhhh it gives some assurances that it's not a fly by night operation. If you invest in infrastructure, presumably you have some intention of running a real operation.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:43
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:The fact that they can’t communicate and haven’t surfaced points to a hull breach.
I would assume the hull had strain gauges. If there was no communication and no report of hull failure, most likely there was a power failure of some kind and the back up (if there was one) didn’t engage. Could be battery failure or electrical issue.
In that case, I would assume it is adrift and without power, too cold for survival.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:37
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel so sorry for the teenager on board. While technically an adult, he certainly didn’t pay for it himself. Surely the father knew the risks and made what he thought was an informed decision- fine- but why bring a teen along? So sad.
The boy isn’t 4. He must have asked to go.
19 year olds are notoriously great at risk assessment and their deep understanding of their own mortality.
Yeah look at the HS kid who jumped off a ship on his graduation trip in the Bahamas while drunk. Boys around this age seem to have little concept of risk/death. And he probably trusted his father knew it was safe.
While I agree that a younger person likely has a different perception of mortality and risk aversity, there is no reason to believe the teenager thought this was a safe endeavor. The liability waiver each crew member is required to sign very clearly states that it is an experimental craft not approved by any regulatory agency and death is a very possible outcome of the mission.
Yeah but you sign those waivers practically everywhere these days. Who really pays attention to the death is a possibility part?
Especially if your father is footing the bill and telling you it's safe. It's sad that he likely lost his life due to his father's recklessness.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:36
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I hope my death is never discussed on this site, because NO MATTER WHAT THE CAUSE, internet posters finds a way to blame the victims.
that may be -- but this is sort of an extreme situation where people literally risked their lives intentionally.
Similar to climbing Everest. If you are arrogant enough to attempt it and lose your life up there. You remain there for eternity. People shouldn’t risk their lives to recover these bodies.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:35
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the Pakistani Navy steaming to the rescue?
Is that supposed to be a joke? Making fun of countries that have less resources that the US?
If so, it is distasteful and xenophobic.
Agree, but I feel sorry for the brat. They have little personal drive to do anything better with their summer break, and mom and dad don't seem to care, too.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:32
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully these extensive rescue efforts will help locate survivors not just from the tourist sub, but the original Titanic disaster. You never know how many people are still waiting to be rescued from then. Bless them all.
Do you honestly believe intact bodies/skeletons remain from the Titanic? Over 100 years ago, 2 miles under the North Atlantic? Honestly?
The water is too acidic at that level. The bones would have dissolved long ago
Uhhh, duh, ya fink?
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:31
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the Pakistani Navy steaming to the rescue?
Is that supposed to be a joke? Making fun of countries that have less resources that the US?
If so, it is distasteful and xenophobic.
Really?! Get a grip. Distasteful and xenophobic? What a delicate snowflake you are.
Anonymous
06/20/2023 14:30
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully these extensive rescue efforts will help locate survivors not just from the tourist sub, but the original Titanic disaster. You never know how many people are still waiting to be rescued from then. Bless them all.
Do you honestly believe intact bodies/skeletons remain from the Titanic? Over 100 years ago, 2 miles under the North Atlantic? Honestly?
The water is too acidic at that level. The bones would have dissolved long ago