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Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

I think you're confused. Asian communities aren't out to make all the schools Asian. They just don't want to be discriminated against. I think black people would know how that feels, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

I keep seeing this claim made but there are decades of research studies on this topic and many show that SAT scores are a very strong predictor of not only college grades but future career success as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

I think you're confused. Asian communities aren't out to make all the schools Asian. They just don't want to be discriminated against. I think black people would know how that feels, right?

Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with a PhD from the Ivy League who taught the undergrads, I can assure all the people saying this guy is a dime a dozen are mistaken. There are so many morons who slip through the cracks of the Ivy League admissions system that it's shocking. I think about 10% of folks in classes I taught probably shouldn't have been in college at all. Others were ver mid, reminiscent of a typical state school student. The fact this guy got rejected by so many schools is entirely indicative of anti Asian racism imo

There are tons of students that have these stats who get rejected - not just Asian. I know a handful, myself. I would imagine those like me also know a (different) handful. It is not as "uncommon" as you would like to believe. Same as it is not "uncommon" to have advanced degree/s from ivy/MIT/top universities in this geographical area (and a few other geographical areas). Just as so many on DCUM are "professors" (usually adjunct) - also a dime a dozen. It has nothing to do with being Asian, but it is a hot topic right now, so someone is trying to draw attention to it.

American Universities have a specific mission to NOT contain one ethnicity of student. In fact, we fought more than one war over this same type of thing. Just drop it.

The Supreme Court of the United States has a specific mission to block any sort of discrimination. Yes, Americans have fought for this.
Just drop it.

Where did you get this idea? That's not correct. If you're talking about the 5th and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution they prohibit the government from discriminating - their authority certainly does not extend to "block[ing] any sort of discrimination."

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?

Yes, of course.

That would be very beneficial to the country.

To China or the U.S.?

I'm for minimizing international students.

I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.

+1.

Why would the U.S. (or any country) only want one ethnicity in their colleges/universities? So what if you prep exceptionally well? Maybe U.S. colleges and universities want students who are not prepped with tutors, etc. - and that is perfectly fine.

Does NBA only want only one race?
How do you know one is prepped or not??
Also, you are supposed to prepare for all sorts of test, exams, midterms, finals, etc. etc.
If you don't, you are irresponsible and lazy. WTF

Analogizing the NBA to colleges is a common talking point I see. It’s surprising that intelligent, educated people do not appear to comprehend the weakness of this comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether the people suggesting this Asian candidate is a "dime a dozen" can actually point to very many Black or Hispanic students with similar credentials applying to the same schools.

But I can't feel too sorry for this kid because Georgia Tech is a very good school and likely to be more rigorous than one of the Ivies caught up in the diversity Olympics and diluting their reputations.

+1000

Real talent will flow to the research powerhouses like GA tech. Actually Indian Americans have valued these schools for a long time. Im Indian American but went into liberal arts. Doing just fine, but throwing it out there in case people feel a need to stereotype.

+1

These kids and their families want Ivies for the brand name not for the intellectual breadth of possibilities they offer. Why not just focus on the Tech schools, which are very impressive in their own right and offer the focus they actually want?

This is a good point.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?

Yes, of course.

That would be very beneficial to the country.

To China or the U.S.?

I'm for minimizing international students.

I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.

+1.

Why would the U.S. (or any country) only want one ethnicity in their colleges/universities? So what if you prep exceptionally well? Maybe U.S. colleges and universities want students who are not prepped with tutors, etc. - and that is perfectly fine.

Does NBA only want only one race?
How do you know one is prepped or not??
Also, you are supposed to prepare for all sorts of test, exams, midterms, finals, etc. etc.
If you don't, you are irresponsible and lazy. WTF

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether the people suggesting this Asian candidate is a "dime a dozen" can actually point to very many Black or Hispanic students with similar credentials applying to the same schools.

But I can't feel too sorry for this kid because Georgia Tech is a very good school and likely to be more rigorous than one of the Ivies caught up in the diversity Olympics and diluting their reputations.

+1000

Real talent will flow to the research powerhouses like GA tech. Actually Indian Americans have valued these schools for a long time. Im Indian American but went into liberal arts. Doing just fine, but throwing it out there in case people feel a need to stereotype.

+1

These kids and their families want Ivies for the brand name not for the intellectual breadth of possibilities they offer. Why not just focus on the Tech schools, which are very impressive in their own right and offer the focus they actually want?

This is a good point.

VTech’s admissions priorities have undergone a massive shift. Not every family can afford OOS GTech.

I bet the kid in the OP got good merit with those stats.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with a PhD from the Ivy League who taught the undergrads, I can assure all the people saying this guy is a dime a dozen are mistaken. There are so many morons who slip through the cracks of the Ivy League admissions system that it's shocking. I think about 10% of folks in classes I taught probably shouldn't have been in college at all. Others were ver mid, reminiscent of a typical state school student. The fact this guy got rejected by so many schools is entirely indicative of anti Asian racism imo

There are tons of students that have these stats who get rejected - not just Asian. I know a handful, myself. I would imagine those like me also know a (different) handful. It is not as "uncommon" as you would like to believe. Same as it is not "uncommon" to have advanced degree/s from ivy/MIT/top universities in this geographical area (and a few other geographical areas). Just as so many on DCUM are "professors" (usually adjunct) - also a dime a dozen. It has nothing to do with being Asian, but it is a hot topic right now, so someone is trying to draw attention to it.

American Universities have a specific mission to NOT contain one ethnicity of student. In fact, we fought more than one war over this same type of thing. Just drop it.

The Supreme Court of the United States has a specific mission to block any sort of discrimination. Yes, Americans have fought for this.
Just drop it.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether the people suggesting this Asian candidate is a "dime a dozen" can actually point to very many Black or Hispanic students with similar credentials applying to the same schools.

But I can't feel too sorry for this kid because Georgia Tech is a very good school and likely to be more rigorous than one of the Ivies caught up in the diversity Olympics and diluting their reputations.

+1000

Real talent will flow to the research powerhouses like GA tech. Actually Indian Americans have valued these schools for a long time. Im Indian American but went into liberal arts. Doing just fine, but throwing it out there in case people feel a need to stereotype.

+1

These kids and their families want Ivies for the brand name not for the intellectual breadth of possibilities they offer. Why not just focus on the Tech schools, which are very impressive in their own right and offer the focus they actually want?

This is a good point.

VTech’s admissions priorities have undergone a massive shift. Not every family can afford OOS GTech.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with a PhD from the Ivy League who taught the undergrads, I can assure all the people saying this guy is a dime a dozen are mistaken. There are so many morons who slip through the cracks of the Ivy League admissions system that it's shocking. I think about 10% of folks in classes I taught probably shouldn't have been in college at all. Others were ver mid, reminiscent of a typical state school student. The fact this guy got rejected by so many schools is entirely indicative of anti Asian racism imo

There are tons of students that have these stats who get rejected - not just Asian. I know a handful, myself. I would imagine those like me also know a (different) handful. It is not as "uncommon" as you would like to believe. Same as it is not "uncommon" to have advanced degree/s from ivy/MIT/top universities in this geographical area (and a few other geographical areas). Just as so many on DCUM are "professors" (usually adjunct) - also a dime a dozen. It has nothing to do with being Asian, but it is a hot topic right now, so someone is trying to draw attention to it.

American Universities have a specific mission to NOT contain one ethnicity of student. In fact, we fought more than one war over this same type of thing. Just drop it.

The Supreme Court of the United States has a specific mission to block any sort of discrimination. Yes, Americans have fought for this.
Just drop it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am in favor of affirmative action but find the odds presented in that article entirely plausible.

Here's a similar observation from another proponent of affirmative action:

"So imagine kids who have roughly a 1300 SAT score out of 1600 and a high school GPA like - of, like, a 3.8 on a four-point scale - a quite good high school GPA. You'll have many universities where students with those scores and grades, if they are white, are very unlikely to be admitted to the university, whereas if they're Black or Hispanic are very likely to be admitted to the university. And that's going to vary for each school, but these admissions advantages can be considerable." (https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1181149142)

But he also found that "...access to more-selective universities was just fundamentally more valuable to the Black and Hispanic students targeted by race-based affirmative action than it would have been for the white and Asian students who ultimately took their place after affirmative action was banned. .... What I'm saying is just on average, Black and Hispanic students who gained access through affirmative action were deriving substantially above-average gains compared to the students who replaced them."

I think those of us who favor affirmative action have a responsibility to acknowledge what it means. I'm white and have high GPAs and scores, and I'd be fine with them not getting into as a selective a school as they might if they were Black or Hispanic, because they will still have plenty of opportunities at the very good schools they will likely end up at. My kids have Ivy-educated parents and grandparents; they have plenty of advantages, if they want to use them. I do think there should be additional focus on income; I would give a preference to the middle-class Black student, but also to a poor rural White student. But racial differences in precollege achievement are very large, so it can't be purely based on income.

I agree that wealthy white kids will do ok anywhere they land for college because of family money and connections. But I do not think that is true for middle class white or Asian American kids - I believe they also get a bump in life from a top school. For example, our office basically doesn't hire white males anymore. A lower or middle class student no matter their race will benefit from a top college.