Anonymous
05/31/2023 12:37
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is a step? What is the average step?
How does the pension figure into the salary?
Steps:
Since I have been hired, we have gotten steps about 75% of the time. They are around $2-2.5k
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY24-teacher-195-day.pdf
Pension:
Someone hired today gets 1% pension per year of service based on the average of your highest 5 years, and for full benefits you must be 60 with 30 years of service.
Someone hired before 2010 gets 1.7% and could retire with full benefits at 50 with 30 years of service.
What do you mean by full benefits? We don't get free healthcare or anything like that.
We don't get full retirement at 50, with 30 years of service. Even if we did, how many people started working for FCPS at age 20 or lower? Very few, I'm sure. Most people who have spent their career in FCPS probably started between age 22 and 30. Even most of those in non-instructional positions probably didn't begin at age 20 or younger.
It typically means full salary. Why don’t you know this? And what do you mean about working at age 20 or lower? I’m sure you can get full benefits as soon as you hit the 30 year mark. The number 50 or 60 is just a starting number. I’m sorry but your comment was really really dumb. Even at 60 you could easily live another 20 years and get a full salary equal to the last five years. That is huge.
The comment to which you are replying was not "really, really dumb" at all. It was pointing out incorrect information in the verbiage of the previous post.
Teachers also don't get a full salary equal to the last five years. I'm not sure where you got that information.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 12:10
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is a step? What is the average step?
How does the pension figure into the salary?
Steps:
Since I have been hired, we have gotten steps about 75% of the time. They are around $2-2.5k
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY24-teacher-195-day.pdf
Pension:
Someone hired today gets 1% pension per year of service based on the average of your highest 5 years, and for full benefits you must be 60 with 30 years of service.
Someone hired before 2010 gets 1.7% and could retire with full benefits at 50 with 30 years of service.
What do you mean by full benefits? We don't get free healthcare or anything like that.
We don't get full retirement at 50, with 30 years of service. Even if we did, how many people started working for FCPS at age 20 or lower? Very few, I'm sure. Most people who have spent their career in FCPS probably started between age 22 and 30. Even most of those in non-instructional positions probably didn't begin at age 20 or younger.
It typically means full salary. Why don’t you know this? And what do you mean about working at age 20 or lower? I’m sure you can get full benefits as soon as you hit the 30 year mark. The number 50 or 60 is just a starting number. I’m sorry but your comment was really really dumb. Even at 60 you could easily live another 20 years and get a full salary equal to the last five years. That is huge.
Meaning a 50 year old in FCPS couldn’t have possibly worked 30 years already. They would still be in college at age 20. How do you not understand that? FCPS requires an age plus 30 years of service. A 50 year old could never have 30 years already. Duh.
What I understand is that they could if they started at 20 and if they started at 25 they could get full benefits by 55.
How can anyone start at 20 though? You need a 4 year degree to teach and people graduate from high school at 18. It would be impossible to start a teaching career at 20.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:37
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full pension does not mean full salary. It's the number of years times a percent and there's a max percent you hit. Your percent depends on when you started. Yes, for older teachers the pension is very nice.
50% of the last three years is still hefty. It deserves to be part of the equation.
Not disagreeing. Just saying it’s not “full salary”.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:21
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So a starting salary in FCPS is now $66k. Over 30 years that is an average of $150k with a 5% increase and the last five years are averaging about $260k So then add $260k for another 20 years for a total of $5.2 million and divide by 30 and you get a starting salary of $66k plus $173k or $240k.
https://www.fncalculator.com/financialcalculator?type=salaryIncreaseCalculator
It’s $54,913, not $66k.
It's higher for next year and depends on the contract length
That is next year’s starting salary at 195 days.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:19
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there like one non teaching position for every teacher position in FCPS? That seems like a lot of administrative positions with nothing to do. I would cut some of them first.
You're overstating how many noneducators there are. But just so we are clear - you would like to cut: Bus drivers, Custodians, Librarians, IT specialists. Anything else?
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:17
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Full pension does not mean full salary. It's the number of years times a percent and there's a max percent you hit. Your percent depends on when you started. Yes, for older teachers the pension is very nice.
50% of the last three years is still hefty. It deserves to be part of the equation.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:16
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So a starting salary in FCPS is now $66k. Over 30 years that is an average of $150k with a 5% increase and the last five years are averaging about $260k So then add $260k for another 20 years for a total of $5.2 million and divide by 30 and you get a starting salary of $66k plus $173k or $240k.
https://www.fncalculator.com/financialcalculator?type=salaryIncreaseCalculator
It’s $54,913, not $66k.
It's higher for next year and depends on the contract length
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:08
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Full pension does not mean full salary. It's the number of years times a percent and there's a max percent you hit. Your percent depends on when you started. Yes, for older teachers the pension is very nice.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:06
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is 3% + a step.
$80.9 million to provide a market scale adjustment of 3.0% for all employees.
$58.2 million to provide a step increase for all eligible employees.
$4.3 million to provide a step extension for all scales.
I'm not sure what you want from FCPS. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors needs to raise taxes further if you want big teacher raises.
No they actually don't have to raise taxes. They need to be held more accountable for how they spend the money they already have.
What would you like to cut then? People make this claim all the time but never articulate which programs they want to be cut.
I vote for “get to green”, of which they are hiring 3 new gatehouse positions to “coach” pyramids in green initiatives. I would prefer additional behavior supports vs telling us how to set thermostats which can come from an email.
Ok, getting rid of Get2Green will clear up 1.3 million dollars in a 3.5 billion dollar budget. With 25,000 employees, you can afford a $52 raise per employee. Not a lot!
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:02
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is a step? What is the average step?
How does the pension figure into the salary?
Steps:
Since I have been hired, we have gotten steps about 75% of the time. They are around $2-2.5k
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY24-teacher-195-day.pdf
Pension:
Someone hired today gets 1% pension per year of service based on the average of your highest 5 years, and for full benefits you must be 60 with 30 years of service.
Someone hired before 2010 gets 1.7% and could retire with full benefits at 50 with 30 years of service.
What do you mean by full benefits? We don't get free healthcare or anything like that.
We don't get full retirement at 50, with 30 years of service. Even if we did, how many people started working for FCPS at age 20 or lower? Very few, I'm sure. Most people who have spent their career in FCPS probably started between age 22 and 30. Even most of those in non-instructional positions probably didn't begin at age 20 or younger.
It typically means full salary. Why don’t you know this? And what do you mean about working at age 20 or lower? I’m sure you can get full benefits as soon as you hit the 30 year mark. The number 50 or 60 is just a starting number. I’m sorry but your comment was really really dumb. Even at 60 you could easily live another 20 years and get a full salary equal to the last five years. That is huge.
The VRS pension is about 50% of the highest three year average salary.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:01
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:So a starting salary in FCPS is now $66k. Over 30 years that is an average of $150k with a 5% increase and the last five years are averaging about $260k So then add $260k for another 20 years for a total of $5.2 million and divide by 30 and you get a starting salary of $66k plus $173k or $240k.
https://www.fncalculator.com/financialcalculator?type=salaryIncreaseCalculator
It’s $54,913, not $66k.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 10:03
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
If they started at 30 they could get full benefits at 60 or with the new law by 70. What is it you don't understand? Just because you don't start at 20 doesn't mean there is no pension. It's just pushed out and you have less years to claim it.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 10:02
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is a step? What is the average step?
How does the pension figure into the salary?
Steps:
Since I have been hired, we have gotten steps about 75% of the time. They are around $2-2.5k
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY24-teacher-195-day.pdf
Pension:
Someone hired today gets 1% pension per year of service based on the average of your highest 5 years, and for full benefits you must be 60 with 30 years of service.
Someone hired before 2010 gets 1.7% and could retire with full benefits at 50 with 30 years of service.
What do you mean by full benefits? We don't get free healthcare or anything like that.
We don't get full retirement at 50, with 30 years of service. Even if we did, how many people started working for FCPS at age 20 or lower? Very few, I'm sure. Most people who have spent their career in FCPS probably started between age 22 and 30. Even most of those in non-instructional positions probably didn't begin at age 20 or younger.
It typically means full salary. Why don’t you know this? And what do you mean about working at age 20 or lower? I’m sure you can get full benefits as soon as you hit the 30 year mark. The number 50 or 60 is just a starting number. I’m sorry but your comment was really really dumb. Even at 60 you could easily live another 20 years and get a full salary equal to the last five years. That is huge.
Meaning a 50 year old in FCPS couldn’t have possibly worked 30 years already. They would still be in college at age 20. How do you not understand that? FCPS requires an age plus 30 years of service. A 50 year old could never have 30 years already. Duh.
What I understand is that they could if they started at 20 and if they started at 25 they could get full benefits by 55.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 08:29
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is a step? What is the average step?
How does the pension figure into the salary?
Steps:
Since I have been hired, we have gotten steps about 75% of the time. They are around $2-2.5k
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY24-teacher-195-day.pdf
Pension:
Someone hired today gets 1% pension per year of service based on the average of your highest 5 years, and for full benefits you must be 60 with 30 years of service.
Someone hired before 2010 gets 1.7% and could retire with full benefits at 50 with 30 years of service.
What do you mean by full benefits? We don't get free healthcare or anything like that.
We don't get full retirement at 50, with 30 years of service. Even if we did, how many people started working for FCPS at age 20 or lower? Very few, I'm sure. Most people who have spent their career in FCPS probably started between age 22 and 30. Even most of those in non-instructional positions probably didn't begin at age 20 or younger.
It typically means full salary. Why don’t you know this? And what do you mean about working at age 20 or lower? I’m sure you can get full benefits as soon as you hit the 30 year mark. The number 50 or 60 is just a starting number. I’m sorry but your comment was really really dumb. Even at 60 you could easily live another 20 years and get a full salary equal to the last five years. That is huge.
Meaning a 50 year old in FCPS couldn’t have possibly worked 30 years already. They would still be in college at age 20. How do you not understand that? FCPS requires an age plus 30 years of service. A 50 year old could never have 30 years already. Duh.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 08:27
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
You can do the calculation for whatever you think is an added salary for being in the private sector and see that even if you invested that money it would come nowhere close to what you'd get with a pension.