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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

The press called him "wunderkind," that wasn't something he invented for himself. His ego problems are down to massive insecurity.

They called him Wunder Kid! He kept trying to correct them but then just went with it.

From what I remember, he referred to himself as Wonder Kid. He mispronounced Wunderkind. He thought it was Wonder Kid. Press went with it and it stuck.

Anyway, whether the press called him Wunderkind first and he mispronounced it, or it was some other chain of events, he earned the title from the press after a great game. He didn’t bestow it on himself.

Similarly, Rupert wouldn’t have hired him away from the Greyhounds if he hadn’t seen talent there. Rupert’s way too cunning to hire a dud.

I think the point of the Wunkerkind storyline is Nate mispronouncing it. The press started it, he said it wrong, and now the press is continuing with it using his misprounounciation.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

The press called him "wunderkind," that wasn't something he invented for himself. His ego problems are down to massive insecurity.

They called him Wunder Kid! He kept trying to correct them but then just went with it.

From what I remember, he referred to himself as Wonder Kid. He mispronounced Wunderkind. He thought it was Wonder Kid. Press went with it and it stuck.

Anyway, whether the press called him Wunderkind first and he mispronounced it, or it was some other chain of events, he earned the title from the press after a great game. He didn’t bestow it on himself.

Similarly, Rupert wouldn’t have hired him away from the Greyhounds if he hadn’t seen talent there. Rupert’s way too cunning to hire a dud.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

He obviously doesn't think highly of himself -- almost all of Nate's problems are a direct result of low self esteem.

Also, wouldn't serving as a water boy and then an assistant coach constitute "paying your dues"? I mean, Ted did neither and he's now the head coach of a Premiere League team despite still having a fairly minimal grasp of the game of soccer. So the "pay your dues" insult feels particularly misplaced in this context -- Nate knows more about soccer and has spent more time in low level roles on soccer teams than Ted has.

And yeah, it was the press who called him a wunderkind, and continues to do so, and the nickname was assigned not because he thinks highly of himself, but because he consistently coaches winning teams. He first got the nickname when he filled in for Ted and successfully got a win, and now he's been extremely successful at Westham (aren't they in 1st place? that's not easy) since becoming head coach there.

The irony here is that Nate actually should thing highly of himself and have a lot of faith in his abilities, but he continues to struggle with his self worth despite all this evidence of his well-earned success.

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Well said. I find Nate such a sad, poignant character and I'm hopeful his story arc will bring him redemption.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really like the Jade storyline. I thought Nate needed to learn that it’s not how others see you that matters but how you see yourself. He didn’t care about the fawning manager—he cared about Jade because she didn’t seem impressed by him. And he just kept trying to win her over. But neither person’s response to him should have ultimately mattered that much. They are just people at some restaurant.

Regarding whether Nate is redeemable: I agree that Nate dabbled with being mean, but I don’t get the sense that he’s been a bully his whole life. You can be a major jerk a few times and course correct. Would that happen so quickly? Maybe not. I don’t know exactly the role Jade is supposed to be playing in this. The relationship is odd in that she barely speaks to him.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

He obviously doesn't think highly of himself -- almost all of Nate's problems are a direct result of low self esteem.

Also, wouldn't serving as a water boy and then an assistant coach constitute "paying your dues"? I mean, Ted did neither and he's now the head coach of a Premiere League team despite still having a fairly minimal grasp of the game of soccer. So the "pay your dues" insult feels particularly misplaced in this context -- Nate knows more about soccer and has spent more time in low level roles on soccer teams than Ted has.

And yeah, it was the press who called him a wunderkind, and continues to do so, and the nickname was assigned not because he thinks highly of himself, but because he consistently coaches winning teams. He first got the nickname when he filled in for Ted and successfully got a win, and now he's been extremely successful at Westham (aren't they in 1st place? that's not easy) since becoming head coach there.

The irony here is that Nate actually should thing highly of himself and have a lot of faith in his abilities, but he continues to struggle with his self worth despite all this evidence of his well-earned success.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really like the Jade storyline. I thought Nate needed to learn that it’s not how others see you that matters but how you see yourself. He didn’t care about the fawning manager—he cared about Jade because she didn’t seem impressed by him. And he just kept trying to win her over. But neither person’s response to him should have ultimately mattered that much. They are just people at some restaurant.

Regarding whether Nate is redeemable: I agree that Nate dabbled with being mean, but I don’t get the sense that he’s been a bully his whole life. You can be a major jerk a few times and course correct. Would that happen so quickly? Maybe not. I don’t know exactly the role Jade is supposed to be playing in this. The relationship is odd in that she barely speaks to him.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

The press called him "wunderkind," that wasn't something he invented for himself. His ego problems are down to massive insecurity.

They called him Wunder Kid! He kept trying to correct them but then just went with it.

From what I remember, he referred to himself as Wonder Kid. He mispronounced Wunderkind. He thought it was Wonder Kid. Press went with it and it stuck.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

The press called him "wunderkind," that wasn't something he invented for himself. His ego problems are down to massive insecurity.

They called him Wunder Kid! He kept trying to correct them but then just went with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

He obviously doesn't think highly of himself -- almost all of Nate's problems are a direct result of low self esteem.

Also, wouldn't serving as a water boy and then an assistant coach constitute "paying your dues"? I mean, Ted did neither and he's now the head coach of a Premiere League team despite still having a fairly minimal grasp of the game of soccer. So the "pay your dues" insult feels particularly misplaced in this context -- Nate knows more about soccer and has spent more time in low level roles on soccer teams than Ted has.

And yeah, it was the press who called him a wunderkind, and continues to do so, and the nickname was assigned not because he thinks highly of himself, but because he consistently coaches winning teams. He first got the nickname when he filled in for Ted and successfully got a win, and now he's been extremely successful at Westham (aren't they in 1st place? that's not easy) since becoming head coach there.

The irony here is that Nate actually should thing highly of himself and have a lot of faith in his abilities, but he continues to struggle with his self worth despite all this evidence of his well-earned success.

I disagree and think, at least in terms of soccer, he did think a lot of himself. And undeservedly so. No, a water boy does not make you qualified to coach a major soccer team. I realize that other people assigned him the moniker but he certainly absorbed that.

Also Westham poured a ton of money into the team. Sure, not easy with that but certainly easier with the top talent . . . . kind of like with the perennial powerhouse college teams, and NBA/NFL teams, who are always good. Because they can financially afford to make them so.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

He obviously doesn't think highly of himself -- almost all of Nate's problems are a direct result of low self esteem.

Also, wouldn't serving as a water boy and then an assistant coach constitute "paying your dues"? I mean, Ted did neither and he's now the head coach of a Premiere League team despite still having a fairly minimal grasp of the game of soccer. So the "pay your dues" insult feels particularly misplaced in this context -- Nate knows more about soccer and has spent more time in low level roles on soccer teams than Ted has.

And yeah, it was the press who called him a wunderkind, and continues to do so, and the nickname was assigned not because he thinks highly of himself, but because he consistently coaches winning teams. He first got the nickname when he filled in for Ted and successfully got a win, and now he's been extremely successful at Westham (aren't they in 1st place? that's not easy) since becoming head coach there.

The irony here is that Nate actually should thing highly of himself and have a lot of faith in his abilities, but he continues to struggle with his self worth despite all this evidence of his well-earned success.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand Nate. He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”

But that's the point - he IS recognizing that. He is growing and becoming better.

Not sure why he thought so highly of himself in the first place. He was promoted from a water boy, essentially. He should have been grateful and put in his dues before thinking he was some sort of "wunderkind" that deserved to coach a team.

The press called him "wunderkind," that wasn't something he invented for himself. His ego problems are down to massive insecurity.