Anonymous wrote:Every year this happens and every year I don’t understand why people get upset. It is the same story just about every time: “my super high stat kid was waitlisted”. Well did they visit? No. Was VT a priority? No. Did they ED? No. Was VT even near the top of your list? No. Then why be upset? VT took the kids that wanted to be there, and by the way, those kids had good stats too.

Did it all except ED. Tech was first choice by a mile but kid wanted to show A grade in challenging math course first semester. Got A. Was waitlisted and will likely go to GMU but a little disappointed in the end.

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Losing in-state high achievers who truly want VT seems wrong. Accepting more first gen state residents seems right. Yield from acceptances to VT is relatively low. How do they get this right if they are clearly not first choice for so many of the people “shocked” not to get in?

Agree with previous poster: there’s no advantage in driving away in-state high achievers who do want to attend.

What process solves this?

ED solves this. High stats kids who *really* want to go to VT should apply ED. Those complaining about rejections did not.

Virginia is the only state where public schools have ED. Sounds like the VT position is high stats in state kids should not apply to UVA or other schools if they want to get into VT. But they are more okay for slightly lower stats in state kids to apply to multiple schools. Okay seems hard to justify that as a fair transparent way to serve the state. It also seems a little defeatist.

Virginia isn’t even close to being the only stare where public universities have ED.

Which others? Most have EA.

University of Vermont has ED

So does Miami University. And Cal State Sacramento. And Governors State University in Illinois. And Rutgers. And several SUNYs.

Several SUNYs=3 (Environmental/Forestry, Maritime and Geneseo) and Rutgers does NOT.

https://admissions.rutgers.edu/apply/dates-deadlines/new-brunswick#:~:text=Fall%2FSeptember%202023%3A%20Application%20Dates%20%26%20Deadlines,-Applicant%20Type&text=%5EApplying%20to%20Rutgers%20by%20our,action%20decisions%20are%20not%20binding.

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And a 67% out of state acceptance rate?! Who does that?

A school that's balancing budgets and resources

Every school has a budget to balance. Amazing how virtually (UCLA may be an exception) every other public school in the country seems to have a higher in state acceptance rate than OOS.

Good for you if your 17yr old is ready to lock in ED by the fall of their senior year. Some need a bit more time. That doesn’t mean VT wasn’t their first choice.

I have a junior and don’t love that he’ll have to use his ED on VT (where he’s in 75th % on naviance) instead of, say UNC Chapel Hill or UVA (where he’s above 50th%). But, I get it. This is the game we’re playing.

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Anonymous wrote:(I’ve posted earlier in this thread. Not sure why I’m so engaged by this.)
Losing in-state high achievers who truly want VT seems wrong. Accepting more first gen state residents seems right. Yield from acceptances to VT is relatively low. How do they get this right if they are clearly not first choice for so many of the people “shocked” not to get in?

Agree with previous poster: there’s no advantage in driving away in-state high achievers who do want to attend.

What process solves this?

ED solves this. High stats kids who *really* want to go to VT should apply ED. Those complaining about rejections did not.

Virginia is the only state where public schools have ED. Sounds like the VT position is high stats in state kids should not apply to UVA or other schools if they want to get into VT. But they are more okay for slightly lower stats in state kids to apply to multiple schools. Okay seems hard to justify that as a fair transparent way to serve the state. It also seems a little defeatist.

Virginia isn’t even close to being the only stare where public universities have ED.

Which others? Most have EA.

University of Vermont has ED

So does Miami University. And Cal State Sacramento. And Governors State University in Illinois. And Rutgers. And several SUNYs.

So about a half dozen, which hardly makes it common among public schools

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Anonymous wrote:(I’ve posted earlier in this thread. Not sure why I’m so engaged by this.)
Losing in-state high achievers who truly want VT seems wrong. Accepting more first gen state residents seems right. Yield from acceptances to VT is relatively low. How do they get this right if they are clearly not first choice for so many of the people “shocked” not to get in?

Agree with previous poster: there’s no advantage in driving away in-state high achievers who do want to attend.

What process solves this?

ED solves this. High stats kids who *really* want to go to VT should apply ED. Those complaining about rejections did not.

Virginia is the only state where public schools have ED. Sounds like the VT position is high stats in state kids should not apply to UVA or other schools if they want to get into VT. But they are more okay for slightly lower stats in state kids to apply to multiple schools. Okay seems hard to justify that as a fair transparent way to serve the state. It also seems a little defeatist.

Virginia isn’t even close to being the only stare where public universities have ED.

Which others? Most have EA.

University of Vermont has ED

So does Miami University. And Cal State Sacramento. And Governors State University in Illinois. And Rutgers. And several SUNYs.

Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this situation about URM & First Gen students? I question when VT became a 1st choice for most of the people whining on this thread. Did they ED or did it become their 1st choice after getting other rejections and deferrals or acceptances with high price tags? Also, what major did they apply for because the high demand programs really matter at VT. But blaming this on URM students is just lazy.

This! Our DS did not get in a couple of years ago and he was upset. However, he was already in at 4 of his top choices (reaches/matches) and VT was on his list of safeties. I suspect a lot of people here are like us. More upset at being dissed rather than at not getting in. The other thing is that, admissions have become a lot more of a crapshoot thanks to Test Optional with resultant increases in applications. If you really really want a school, go ED.

Anonymous wrote:My personal theory of why people get upset at VT is because in some quarters it is viewed as beneath their child. To get waitlisted is viewed an insult. But VT knows if it is being viewed as a last resort break glass for emergency safety school. Why would they take that kid over a kid that really wants to be there?

VT has a lot of good programs for a good in state price. Lot of people are very happy to take that ticket with no complaints and aren’t shy about letting VT know that.

Level of applicant's interest was not considered by VA Tech this cycle. This can be found in the common data set published on their website. We are in state (have lived in VA for 20+ years) and would have passed on schools with lower acceptance rates for the in state tuition. So we did not look at the school as a safety. We will probably be paying out of state or private tuition now. I am sure we are not the only family in this situation, especially those interested in engineering. This was not unexpected as we went thru this with a 2021 hs grad. However, it is frustrating to see in-state kids be accepted to schools like ND, GA Tech and CMU (all with lower acceptance rates) and not get into what we consider the state flagship for engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! My OOS DD got in! DH and I are alumni. So sad it won't be a financially smart decision to send her there, so she will likely be a Terp.Congrats to all of the new Hokies!

Did something drastic and devastating happen to your financial situation between November and now? If your financial situation is basically the same as it was 3 months ago, and you already knew she wouldn't go even if offered a spot, why apply?

Don’t owe you an explanation, but she applied far and wide and has been looking for scholarships too. We had no idea she would even get into UMD when she applied early action to VT. DH and I have 5 VT degrees between us, and we love it there so we were happy to pay the fee for her to apply there. But no, we don’t plan to pay $200k+ for an undergrad degree when UMD is cheaper and has a higher-ranked program.

That still doesn’t explain why you had her apply if you had no intent to send her. You knew she wasn’t getting a scholarship

DP. I don't think you read PP's post. It sounds like she was considering it but didn't get enough aid. Also, probably would have still considered it if she hadn't gotten into UMD. You're welcome for the synopsis, but reading the post would not have been much more work!

Why are you making this situation about URM & First Gen students? I question when VT became a 1st choice for most of the people whining on this thread. Did they ED or did it become their 1st choice after getting other rejections and deferrals or acceptances with high price tags? Also, what major did they apply for because the high demand programs really matter at VT. But blaming this on URM students is just lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! My OOS DD got in! DH and I are alumni. So sad it won't be a financially smart decision to send her there, so she will likely be a Terp.Congrats to all of the new Hokies!

Did something drastic and devastating happen to your financial situation between November and now? If your financial situation is basically the same as it was 3 months ago, and you already knew she wouldn't go even if offered a spot, why apply?

Don’t owe you an explanation, but she applied far and wide and has been looking for scholarships too. We had no idea she would even get into UMD when she applied early action to VT. DH and I have 5 VT degrees between us, and we love it there so we were happy to pay the fee for her to apply there. But no, we don’t plan to pay $200k+ for an undergrad degree when UMD is cheaper and has a higher-ranked program.

That still doesn’t explain why you had her apply if you had no intent to send her. You knew she wasn’t getting a scholarship

It is called safety school.

Some people really have to learn the hard way that VT is no one's safety school.

Well, it was for that poster. She got in.

Overall, I agree. You just picked the wrong subthread to wield that cudgel!

Anonymous wrote:Tech should be interested in selecting the best students (especially in state ones) but they aren’t. That’s strange for an in state school.

I wonder why Youngkin is okay with their preferences for URM and first gen but is constantly attacking FCPS for diversifying TJ admissions?

It’s driven by rankings, many of which now value social mobility, which is tied to graduating Pell recipients. A proxy for Pell is first gen and URMs.

Anyone who cites rankings constantly needs to check that compulsion first. But the fact is the public is obsessed with rankings and so are politicians.

Anonymous wrote:Tech should be interested in selecting the best students (especially in state ones) but they aren’t. That’s strange for an in state school.

I wonder why Youngkin is okay with their preferences for URM and first gen but is constantly attacking FCPS for diversifying TJ admissions?

The Supreme Court will take care of that for glen.

Tech should be interested in selecting the best students (especially in state ones) but they aren’t. That’s strange for an in state school.

I wonder why Youngkin is okay with their preferences for URM and first gen but is constantly attacking FCPS for diversifying TJ admissions?

My personal theory of why people get upset at VT is because in some quarters it is viewed as beneath their child. To get waitlisted is viewed an insult. But VT knows if it is being viewed as a last resort break glass for emergency safety school. Why would they take that kid over a kid that really wants to be there?

VT has a lot of good programs for a good in state price. Lot of people are very happy to take that ticket with no complaints and aren’t shy about letting VT know that.