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Anonymous wrote:So many of you PPs are insane. Obesity is a problem. I have three cousins who died young due to obesity related diseases. I was overweight as a child and I HATED it. Every minute of it. I wish my parents would’ve helped me with exercise and eating habits, but they were obese, too.

OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

Yeah the labs rats got tumors, but it’ll all be swell!

Technically, both the medicated AND placebo rats got tumors, if you want to be correct.

^but I want to add, I'm not suggesting to Op she should get her DDon these medications. Too soon for that. She needs to get her DD to a doctor.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you PPs are insane. Obesity is a problem. I have three cousins who died young due to obesity related diseases. I was overweight as a child and I HATED it. Every minute of it. I wish my parents would’ve helped me with exercise and eating habits, but they were obese, too.

OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

This is how I know they just hate fat people. Surgically permanently alter your innards and never be able to eat normally again, risk huge complications and severe nutritional deficiencies? All good. Painlessly inject medication that has been proven safe once a week? Absolutely not. You’ll regret it!

They do not want us to have a relatively easy time losing weight because it’s not a good enough punishment for our perceived gluttony and sloth. We’re only allowed to lose weight if it is painstaking or leaves us literally scarred with disfigured organs. When I first thought this I thought I was crazy but I’ve been convinced.

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Omg. Stop with the perceived jealousy thin people have toward obese people on meds. Delusional

Sorry babes you're not going to gaslight me anymore. I just read one of y'all say that invasive surgery is a-ok but weekly medication is not. That tells me all I need to know.

Agree. Insurance will pay for surgery that can lead to a lifetime of complications, but not these medications.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you PPs are insane. Obesity is a problem. I have three cousins who died young due to obesity related diseases. I was overweight as a child and I HATED it. Every minute of it. I wish my parents would’ve helped me with exercise and eating habits, but they were obese, too.

OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

This is how I know they just hate fat people. Surgically permanently alter your innards and never be able to eat normally again, risk huge complications and severe nutritional deficiencies? All good. Painlessly inject medication that has been proven safe once a week? Absolutely not. You’ll regret it!

They do not want us to have a relatively easy time losing weight because it’s not a good enough punishment for our perceived gluttony and sloth. We’re only allowed to lose weight if it is painstaking or leaves us literally scarred with disfigured organs. When I first thought this I thought I was crazy but I’ve been convinced.

+1

Omg. Stop with the perceived jealousy thin people have toward obese people on meds. Delusional

Sorry babes you're not going to gaslight me anymore. I just read one of y'all say that invasive surgery is a-ok but weekly medication is not. That tells me all I need to know.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you PPs are insane. Obesity is a problem. I have three cousins who died young due to obesity related diseases. I was overweight as a child and I HATED it. Every minute of it. I wish my parents would’ve helped me with exercise and eating habits, but they were obese, too.

OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

This is how I know they just hate fat people. Surgically permanently alter your innards and never be able to eat normally again, risk huge complications and severe nutritional deficiencies? All good. Painlessly inject medication that has been proven safe once a week? Absolutely not. You’ll regret it!

They do not want us to have a relatively easy time losing weight because it’s not a good enough punishment for our perceived gluttony and sloth. We’re only allowed to lose weight if it is painstaking or leaves us literally scarred with disfigured organs. When I first thought this I thought I was crazy but I’ve been convinced.

+1

Omg. Stop with the perceived jealousy thin people have toward obese people on meds. Delusional

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OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

This is how I know they just hate fat people. Surgically permanently alter your innards and never be able to eat normally again, risk huge complications and severe nutritional deficiencies? All good. Painlessly inject medication that has been proven safe once a week? Absolutely not. You’ll regret it!

They do not want us to have a relatively easy time losing weight because it’s not a good enough punishment for our perceived gluttony and sloth. We’re only allowed to lose weight if it is painstaking or leaves us literally scarred with disfigured organs. When I first thought this I thought I was crazy but I’ve been convinced.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Women get so hysterical about weight. My coworker (a man) just told me today that he needs to shed some pounds because he’s borderline overweight. He literally just laughed and said he was going to cut back some and stop eating fast food for two months. It was like a non-event, a thing he wanted to address, so he is. Women attach so much intensity and shame and fear to fat. No wonder no one can breathe the word around family.

Well, one reason is because men have a much easier time losing weight. Yeah, I'd be easy breezy beautiful about it too if all I had to do was stop eating fast food for a couple months to lose 10 pounds.

But the point is that women (evidenced in this thread) cannot even talk about weight without attaching all these unnecessary superlatives about shame and disorders and not speaking to family members, etc. It will be much harder to lose weight if you stack all of these unrelated emotions and values to it. If you can just say, hey it’s unhealthy to be x pounds overweight, what am I going to do about it? you will be much better off mentally and a lot more successful.

Or you could just make behavior (leaving her room, socializing, exercising, eating her veggies) the way you track someone's wellbeing rather than focusing on weight.

I mean, you couldn't. OP can't. But healthy people can.

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OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

This is how I know they just hate fat people. Surgically permanently alter your innards and never be able to eat normally again, risk huge complications and severe nutritional deficiencies? All good. Painlessly inject medication that has been proven safe once a week? Absolutely not. You’ll regret it!

They do not want us to have a relatively easy time losing weight because it’s not a good enough punishment for our perceived gluttony and sloth. We’re only allowed to lose weight if it is painstaking or leaves us literally scarred with disfigured organs. When I first thought this I thought I was crazy but I’ve been convinced.

Love her unconditionally. Support good self esteem for her (and for yourself). Stop telling her or worrying about elling her what to do. Get healthy yourself - go to therapy.
That's it. Thats the recipe for success.

from a 50+ daughter of a mom who obsessed about my weight and caused disordered eating and exercising.

OP, not sure if you are still reading this thread, but try to reach out to your pediatrician/send an email discussing your concerns ahead of time. If they are also concerned that she is outside of a normal weight gain, ask them to frame whatever tests they need to do as part of her annual exam. Explain that you want to rule out some possibilities since it happened quickly before focusing on eating/nutrition.

I think it's great that you are not making a big deal about it, and just buying clothes that fit. Girls are painfully aware of their size and focusing on her feeling good at whatever size is a great choice to make right now.

Look into the work of Ellyn Sattler and the division of responsibility in feeding. It might help you frame some of what you're already doing, and feel less attached to the outcome.

My daughter was not overweight per se as a teen. She was just a bit chubby. Unfortunately, it meant that most of the teen clothing fitted her in a way that made her feel selfconsious. She felt her waist was too thick, she had a muffin top, she had back fat etc. We are not a junk food family but we are also not a terribly active family. I am also skinny fat. Anyways, she remained like this for the entire HS and college. Interestingly, she dressed in a older person manner so her clothes hid her figure and she looked quite good. But, she was very, very unhappy about herself. After college, she actually started eating health food only. Mainly fruits, veggies, protein, yogurt, nuts and seeds. She started to drop weight and then she started to exercise. She is still not very high energy and active, but much better than before. She is skinny, her hair,teeth, skin looks very good and she she can wear more trendy clothes.

When she was chubbier, she really disliked herself. We thought she looked beautiful and normal. She looked very age appropriate. Unfortunately, right now, she thinks that she looks good, is eating smarter and is skinnier. I agree. But, I also worry that when she will put on weight again due to pregnancy, hormones or aging...she is going to hate herself again. She compares herself with others all the time. Why does she want to paint herself in a corner like this?

I was a short, fat girl starting in middle school. I just ballooned up at age 12 after being slim/normal. I liked to read and sports I used to engage in, including jump rope and kick ball, became uncomfortable in my developing body or seemed childish. It was easy and somehow comforting to eat a bag of Pepperidge Farm cookies, bought with my babysitting money, with a book.
My mom would occasionally say something but there was nothing really to do until I went to college and became completely in charge of what I ate, how I exercised, and what boys I liked and how I wanted them to look at me. It's a longish road, OP. If your daughter seems content, and her grades are decent, I'd leave it alone, as you are doing...Fat also shields you from uncomfortable situations with high school boys.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you PPs are insane. Obesity is a problem. I have three cousins who died young due to obesity related diseases. I was overweight as a child and I HATED it. Every minute of it. I wish my parents would’ve helped me with exercise and eating habits, but they were obese, too.

OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

Yeah the labs rats got tumors, but it’ll all be swell!

Well, we are humans, and humans do not get tumors from this drug, so…I guess if you’re a rat you should be concerned

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you PPs are insane. Obesity is a problem. I have three cousins who died young due to obesity related diseases. I was overweight as a child and I HATED it. Every minute of it. I wish my parents would’ve helped me with exercise and eating habits, but they were obese, too.

OP, you are right to worry. Obesity is terrible and yet totally preventable. I wish you luck

If it's so preventable why are 40% of Americans obese?

Poor choices. Obesity is not rocket science. We sit around all day and eat bad food with high calories and low nutrition

No one treating an obese population thinks this. Your comment is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

this is just not true. Not true at all.
Obesity is not some mysterious disease. It's a pretty clear cause and effect. are some people more prone? Yes. But we know what the base issues are and how to get out of it.
People like you making excuses for obesity and trying to frame it as some random disease like lupus are fooling yourselves. And, frankly, you're a danger to society. You're why we have so many obese people. It is not ok to be obese.

Again, no one in the field says this. Only ignorant people outside of it.

Let me guess. You're in the field and read that in Vogue somewhere, right?
Almost everyone that I know in medicine says otherwise, and they live with me. So nice try.

Do they always opine outside their specialties?

HA! Because the anonymous rantings of a DCUM lunatic is so much more reliable. Get off WebMD and feed your kids something healthy. And while you're at it, go for a walk.

Since we are on an anonymous forum I’ll tell you what I really think about all those “people in medicine” living in your house. In my 20 year career in healthcare, I’ve discovered most practitioners are quite dumb. Incompetent at critical thinking. Really only skilled at memorizing, which was once incredibly helpful and is now mostly replaced by technology. There are very few true experts moving the ball forward in any area of practice but many self-aggrandizing frontline practitioners who couldn’t tell a well-designed study from a WebMD article. They are completely unable to grasp basic details of the validity of research like population size, confounding factors, P-hacking, etc. My only solace as a patient is that I can circumvent them when I need to with my privilege and ability to pay out of pocket. But I feel terrible for everyone else out there, seeing these hacks and getting truly horrible care and advice.

Hopefully OP can find someone actually competent. But it will be hard.

Let me guess, you're in medical sales. Or worse, admin. Not an actual physician or researcher yourself but damn do you know a lot about it.
Like I said, go for a walk.

Pharma executive actually. Thank God we in pharma actually cure disease and save lives because your PA husband and CNA daughter sure aren’t.

OMG. With that comment you lost all credibility!
You think you are a savior pumping people full of weight loss drugs?

I mean, it’s better than a solution that doesn’t work.

Go away pharma exec!

I'm not a pharma exec and I won't go away. But I can see and acknowledge the reality that nothing has worked so far for obesity on a population level and the injectables look incredibly promising so far.

It’s such an inappropriate suggestion since OPs child hasn’t tried anything else.

I don’t disagree. Nobody suggested pharmaceutical options in this particular comment thread, so I wasn’t responding to that. I was just defending the pharma executive because she is right, they are the ones with the most promising solution at this point in time in this particular arena.

14:14 suggested it.
Diet and exercise are proven to work, as is lap band. Stop kidding yourself that pharma has a quick fix.

That’s why I said “this particular comment thread.” Is reading very hard for you?

And LOL that’s hilarious, no one does lap band anymore. Vertical sleeve gastrectomy and roux en y bypass are pretty successful, but why on earth would you remove 80% your stomach or rearrange your intenstines when you could treat your obesity with medication?

Goodness. Give it up. These medications haven’t even been proven safe or effective, or have a long track record and you’re going about how it’s so much better than surgery? No, thanks.

Uh yes, a medication that has been proven safe is 100% better than invasive surgery that permanently changes your digestive anatomy and has a high complication rate. Obviously.

Yeah the labs rats got tumors, but it’ll all be swell!

Anonymous wrote:actually the *glutide families have quite a long track record and are helping millions of people with various metabolic disorders!!!

You’ve clearly drank the koolaid from pharma!
There is no magic pill, no matter what you insist.