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Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

If you don't like the bike lanes and streeteries, don't use them. We don't want grumpy people like you there anyway. Problem solved!

Problem is no one uses them!

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Anonymous wrote:For your awareness.

The YIMBYs are planning their next three ring circus for your enjoyment. If you like your property value and your current neighborhood (whether you live in Arlington or not) you should be paying attention. Even if you don’t mind the idea of a six unit apartment building next door (with the number of people, cars, and pets that go with them), you should be aware that not only is it a possibility that your property will go down in value and be harder to sell (unless it’s to a developer), it’s an active goal of the YIMBY movement. Please, don’t take my word for it, research their Facebook pages. They actively wish to reduce the values of currently owned properties as part of the movement.

https://ggwash.org/view/88600/heres-how-missing-mi...vtvCsO9K_PzO_Fm1G5fDKWe1yuGuPA

It's always possible for your property value to go down. It's also always possible for your property value to go up. That's how it works. Though, chances are, if you can sell your house to a developer to tear down and replace with a duplex (or whatever), your property value will go up. Just like, if you can sell your house to a developer to tear down and replace with a McMansion.

Now, in the big picture, the simple basic fact is that housing costs are unaffordably high for a huge fraction of younger people. I'm a non-young person who lives in the home I bought over 2 decades ago when I was a younger person, and housing costs were more affordable for more people. If the supply of housing increases, that likely will result in my property value not going up as much as it otherwise would. It might even result in my property value going down compared to now (though still way up compared to when I bought). But that's ok. We live in a society, and housing policy shouldn't maximize capital gains for current, older homeowners at the cost of locking younger people out of homeownership.

Smartest thing I read on here. Thank you.

Anonymous wrote:For your awareness.

The YIMBYs are planning their next three ring circus for your enjoyment. If you like your property value and your current neighborhood (whether you live in Arlington or not) you should be paying attention. Even if you don’t mind the idea of a six unit apartment building next door (with the number of people, cars, and pets that go with them), you should be aware that not only is it a possibility that your property will go down in value and be harder to sell (unless it’s to a developer), it’s an active goal of the YIMBY movement. Please, don’t take my word for it, research their Facebook pages. They actively wish to reduce the values of currently owned properties as part of the movement.

https://ggwash.org/view/88600/heres-how-missing-mi...vtvCsO9K_PzO_Fm1G5fDKWe1yuGuPA

Funny how the loudest NIMBY groups are claiming that missing middle will increase property values. Why don’t you believe them?

Anonymous wrote:For your awareness.

The YIMBYs are planning their next three ring circus for your enjoyment. If you like your property value and your current neighborhood (whether you live in Arlington or not) you should be paying attention. Even if you don’t mind the idea of a six unit apartment building next door (with the number of people, cars, and pets that go with them), you should be aware that not only is it a possibility that your property will go down in value and be harder to sell (unless it’s to a developer), it’s an active goal of the YIMBY movement. Please, don’t take my word for it, research their Facebook pages. They actively wish to reduce the values of currently owned properties as part of the movement.

https://ggwash.org/view/88600/heres-how-missing-mi...vtvCsO9K_PzO_Fm1G5fDKWe1yuGuPA

It's always possible for your property value to go down. It's also always possible for your property value to go up. That's how it works. Though, chances are, if you can sell your house to a developer to tear down and replace with a duplex (or whatever), your property value will go up. Just like, if you can sell your house to a developer to tear down and replace with a McMansion.

Now, in the big picture, the simple basic fact is that housing costs are unaffordably high for a huge fraction of younger people. I'm a non-young person who lives in the home I bought over 2 decades ago when I was a younger person, and housing costs were more affordable for more people. If the supply of housing increases, that likely will result in my property value not going up as much as it otherwise would. It might even result in my property value going down compared to now (though still way up compared to when I bought). But that's ok. We live in a society, and housing policy shouldn't maximize capital gains for current, older homeowners at the cost of locking younger people out of homeownership.

Upzoning is a mistake. Clueless people think it'll bring affordable housing and developers laugh all the way to the bank.

Arlington infrastructure can't handle current conditions, let alone what more upzoning will bring.

If you've ever tried to get your kid into a county rec class, struggled to find parking, are upset at classroom sizes, etc, you need to speak up before it's too late.

For your awareness.

The YIMBYs are planning their next three ring circus for your enjoyment. If you like your property value and your current neighborhood (whether you live in Arlington or not) you should be paying attention. Even if you don’t mind the idea of a six unit apartment building next door (with the number of people, cars, and pets that go with them), you should be aware that not only is it a possibility that your property will go down in value and be harder to sell (unless it’s to a developer), it’s an active goal of the YIMBY movement. Please, don’t take my word for it, research their Facebook pages. They actively wish to reduce the values of currently owned properties as part of the movement.

https://ggwash.org/view/88600/heres-how-missing-mi...vtvCsO9K_PzO_Fm1G5fDKWe1yuGuPA

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Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

If you don't like the bike lanes and streeteries, don't use them. We don't want grumpy people like you there anyway. Problem solved!

Who is "we" in this context?

The people that voted for this nonsense? Oops, that didn't happen.

The constituency that SHOULD be represented by elected officials? The officials that ignored all of the counter-evidence regarding he effectiveness of "thrive?"

Let's make the process transparent and then vote on it and we can see who comes out on top. Maybe it can be broken down and you can get your bike lanes and streeteries and "we" get to keep the neighborhoods intact. I think that might be fair...though I am sure that all of the Veruca Salt YIMBYs would stamp their feet and yell IT'S NOT FAIR MUMMY, THEY HAVE SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE.

The "process" was "transparent". You just don't like the outcome.

Luckily “thrive” was just a “plan to make a plan,” as sold by its marketing reps. Now we get to make the actual plans to fulfill whatever goals it thinks it will accomplish, and there will be time for public input at every step of the way. Congrats, you managed to sneak a rough outline past the public, but I don’t think that it’s going to work the same moving forward

As they say, light is the best disinfectant. It’s will be well more than one election cycle before they are breaking ground on any part of this plan.

We can start by choosing the planning board and it’s director well…people that represent the voters.

We who? Are you a county council member?

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Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

If you don't like the bike lanes and streeteries, don't use them. We don't want grumpy people like you there anyway. Problem solved!

Who is "we" in this context?

The people that voted for this nonsense? Oops, that didn't happen.

The constituency that SHOULD be represented by elected officials? The officials that ignored all of the counter-evidence regarding he effectiveness of "thrive?"

Let's make the process transparent and then vote on it and we can see who comes out on top. Maybe it can be broken down and you can get your bike lanes and streeteries and "we" get to keep the neighborhoods intact. I think that might be fair...though I am sure that all of the Veruca Salt YIMBYs would stamp their feet and yell IT'S NOT FAIR MUMMY, THEY HAVE SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE.

The "process" was "transparent". You just don't like the outcome.

Luckily “thrive” was just a “plan to make a plan,” as sold by its marketing reps. Now we get to make the actual plans to fulfill whatever goals it thinks it will accomplish, and there will be time for public input at every step of the way. Congrats, you managed to sneak a rough outline past the public, but I don’t think that it’s going to work the same moving forward

As they say, light is the best disinfectant. It’s will be well more than one election cycle before they are breaking ground on any part of this plan.

We can start by choosing the planning board and it’s director well…people that represent the voters.

Arlington is too expensive. I can't even afford to dream.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

If you don't like the bike lanes and streeteries, don't use them. We don't want grumpy people like you there anyway. Problem solved!

Who is "we" in this context?

The people that voted for this nonsense? Oops, that didn't happen.

The constituency that SHOULD be represented by elected officials? The officials that ignored all of the counter-evidence regarding he effectiveness of "thrive?"

Let's make the process transparent and then vote on it and we can see who comes out on top. Maybe it can be broken down and you can get your bike lanes and streeteries and "we" get to keep the neighborhoods intact. I think that might be fair...though I am sure that all of the Veruca Salt YIMBYs would stamp their feet and yell IT'S NOT FAIR MUMMY, THEY HAVE SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE.

The "process" was "transparent". You just don't like the outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

If you don't like the bike lanes and streeteries, don't use them. We don't want grumpy people like you there anyway. Problem solved!

Who is "we" in this context?

The people that voted for this nonsense? Oops, that didn't happen.

The constituency that SHOULD be represented by elected officials? The officials that ignored all of the counter-evidence regarding he effectiveness of "thrive?"

Let's make the process transparent and then vote on it and we can see who comes out on top. Maybe it can be broken down and you can get your bike lanes and streeteries and "we" get to keep the neighborhoods intact. I think that might be fair...though I am sure that all of the Veruca Salt YIMBYs would stamp their feet and yell IT'S NOT FAIR MUMMY, THEY HAVE SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

If you don't like the bike lanes and streeteries, don't use them. We don't want grumpy people like you there anyway. Problem solved!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

Fairfax will get there. Hopefully I can leave by then, but believe me, they will get there. Just compare Fairfax government to 20 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

They also had over 30 pedestrians killed on their roads in 2022, but what are a few dead people when it comes to growth of high wage private sector jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The economics of this is that building more housing in Arlington is going to reduce prices in Montgomery County and DC. The notion that all of the supply effects in one close in DC suburb will be captured by that suburb is laughable

No. Moco Bethesda and FX will go up if North ARL gets 3-6 units auto available with NO review for all lots now zoned SFH. ARL has just done sloppy work. SFH removed at 8th and veitch was replaced by 7 huge townhouses. MM sticks it at 6. That lot could have been 12 smaller units with greenspace. By the book MM ignores the actual potential etc for any given lot.

MoCo is stupid, so I suspect they will be the next to follow suit. But Fairfax doesn’t do this nonsense. They don’t give their roads over to bike lanes. They don’t close roads for “streeteries”. They don’t do “missing middle”. They are not about these fads. They are also the most affluent county in the area with the highest growth of high wage private sector jobs.

I hope that you are wrong but fear that you are right.

After the entire planning board responsible resigned in disgrace, not only did they still hurriedly push the Thrive plan through, they are now considering letting former planning board members back on the board?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2023/01/23/two-who-resigned-in-fall-try-to-regain-planning-board-seats/