Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 14:39     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:In high school in college in the late 1980s in the Midwest, the course titles included:

Western Civilization (known as Western Civ I and II)
American History
World History
American Literature
British Literature
World Literature
English Literature

Starting freshman year, we read one Shakespeare play every year. We usually went to the Repertory theatre to see the play performed live.

We read actual novels, instead of edited and sometimes censored versions from anthologies.

I don't remember reading much African American literature except during American lit.

For American lit, we usually started with Hawthorn. We read a lot of Steinbeck and Hemingway.

As a woman, we also didn't read much written by women.

Edgar Allen Poe was my favorite author. I wasn't traumatized by the fact that women authors didn't have much of a presence or voice.

I really enjoyed the writing of Maya Angelou. I thought of her as a writer of young adult fiction.

When choosing contemporary authors, I read Atwood, Bloom, Hinton. Plenty of contemporary women authors were in the young adult fiction genre. I also read huge historical bodice ripper novels by Rosemary Rogers. One of my favorite contemporary authors at the time was Sidney Sheldon.


“Young adult fiction?” That’s…interesting. While I, personally, would like a more inclusive and diverse representation in American literature and history courses, there’s a danger, too, in exposing people to literature and expecting an age appropriate critical understanding and discussion - when the readers have had little exposure to the historical contexts that they’re reading about in literature.

* I’m curious though. I’ve read quite a few of Angelou’s books, but somehow managed to miss reading any of her fiction. Would you be willing to mention exactly what book(s) your class read?
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 12:53     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I always thought the purpose of school work and school courses and earning credit, is really to guide young adults to learn. Most teens won't pick up a Shakespeare play on their own. They can't or won't read Beowulf or Canterbury Tales on their own. What language are we using now to communicate? English language and literature is the standard. Call me old school. I would argue education robs children and young adults of competing on an even playing field when schools across the country aren't following a similar curriculum. That curriculum should be challenging. The books should be difficult for the students to read on their own. That's the point of being in school.


Not following how this ties into the ap African American history course.


I would expect that to be a straight forward course of original text and novels based on historical facts. Frederick Douglas. Harriet Tubman. Richard Wright. Malcolm X. But that looks a lot American history and American literature, does it not? If it's for AP credit, it better be challenging and difficult.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 12:16     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:It’s official- DeSantis is the Klan governor.

We need the national guard to take over the Florida school system, and install professional educators.



It's official- you're a crazy and clueless clown.

Thanks for making it so obvious.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 12:11     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:I always thought the purpose of school work and school courses and earning credit, is really to guide young adults to learn. Most teens won't pick up a Shakespeare play on their own. They can't or won't read Beowulf or Canterbury Tales on their own. What language are we using now to communicate? English language and literature is the standard. Call me old school. I would argue education robs children and young adults of competing on an even playing field when schools across the country aren't following a similar curriculum. That curriculum should be challenging. The books should be difficult for the students to read on their own. That's the point of being in school.


Not following how this ties into the ap African American history course.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 12:01     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
I always thought the purpose of school work and school courses and earning credit, is really to guide young adults to learn. Most teens won't pick up a Shakespeare play on their own. They can't or won't read Beowulf or Canterbury Tales on their own. What language are we using now to communicate? English language and literature is the standard. Call me old school. I would argue education robs children and young adults of competing on an even playing field when schools across the country aren't following a similar curriculum. That curriculum should be challenging. The books should be difficult for the students to read on their own. That's the point of being in school.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 11:46     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:In high school in college in the late 1980s in the Midwest, the course titles included:

Western Civilization (known as Western Civ I and II)
American History
World History
American Literature
British Literature
World Literature
English Literature

Starting freshman year, we read one Shakespeare play every year. We usually went to the Repertory theatre to see the play performed live.

We read actual novels, instead of edited and sometimes censored versions from anthologies.

I don't remember reading much African American literature except during American lit.

For American lit, we usually started with Hawthorn. We read a lot of Steinbeck and Hemingway.

As a woman, we also didn't read much written by women.

Edgar Allen Poe was my favorite author. I wasn't traumatized by the fact that women authors didn't have much of a presence or voice.

I really enjoyed the writing of Maya Angelou. I thought of her as a writer of young adult fiction.

When choosing contemporary authors, I read Atwood, Bloom, Hinton. Plenty of contemporary women authors were in the young adult fiction genre. I also read huge historical bodice ripper novels by Rosemary Rogers. One of my favorite contemporary authors at the time was Sidney Sheldon.


It isn't a matter of being traumatized, it is a matter of broadening the scope of the pantheon of experiences being offered to high school students. Not everything is a straight white male, so reading experiences from a variety of people, genders and perspectives opens eyes to the broader world we live in. Why is that a bad thing?
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 11:41     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
It’s official- DeSantis is the Klan governor.

We need the national guard to take over the Florida school system, and install professional educators.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 11:01     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida opposes this but is ok with European History, Asian History and Culture, Latin American culture....gee, I wonder what is different?


African American Studies != African History

Nobody said they were equal.


Not sure what your point is.

A course that simply taught African history probably would have been fine.

My point was that a PP accused people on this thread of equating African American History with African History when no one on this thread was doing that. Sorry for being so cryptic.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 10:47     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida is full of backwards hillbillies. Nothing intellectual comes out of Florida. If you are smart and want smart kids, you wouldn’t move to Florida in the first place.


Interesting. Florida public schools rank squarely in the middle, rankings-wise. Right under New York, Minnesota, Illinois, and others. And above Colorado, Pennsylvania, Washington - and WELL above Michigan, California, and Oregon. So you were saying?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state


Lol Virginia comes in at #4.


Not sure why that would seem odd. Virginia benefits from proximity to DC, the most educated big city in the country.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 10:37     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida is full of backwards hillbillies. Nothing intellectual comes out of Florida. If you are smart and want smart kids, you wouldn’t move to Florida in the first place.


Interesting. Florida public schools rank squarely in the middle, rankings-wise. Right under New York, Minnesota, Illinois, and others. And above Colorado, Pennsylvania, Washington - and WELL above Michigan, California, and Oregon. So you were saying?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state


Lol Virginia comes in at #4.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 10:15     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
In high school in college in the late 1980s in the Midwest, the course titles included:

Western Civilization (known as Western Civ I and II)
American History
World History
American Literature
British Literature
World Literature
English Literature

Starting freshman year, we read one Shakespeare play every year. We usually went to the Repertory theatre to see the play performed live.

We read actual novels, instead of edited and sometimes censored versions from anthologies.

I don't remember reading much African American literature except during American lit.

For American lit, we usually started with Hawthorn. We read a lot of Steinbeck and Hemingway.

As a woman, we also didn't read much written by women.

Edgar Allen Poe was my favorite author. I wasn't traumatized by the fact that women authors didn't have much of a presence or voice.

I really enjoyed the writing of Maya Angelou. I thought of her as a writer of young adult fiction.

When choosing contemporary authors, I read Atwood, Bloom, Hinton. Plenty of contemporary women authors were in the young adult fiction genre. I also read huge historical bodice ripper novels by Rosemary Rogers. One of my favorite contemporary authors at the time was Sidney Sheldon.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 09:34     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida opposes this but is ok with European History, Asian History and Culture, Latin American culture....gee, I wonder what is different?


African American Studies != African History

Nobody said they were equal.


Not sure what your point is.

A course that simply taught African history probably would have been fine.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 09:09     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history


This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.


Davis is a self-avowed Communist and Marxist.


Are those topics banned in highschool now or what's your point?



DP: well it is quite stupid to have a person like that involved in developing a course on AA Studies.

Now, if the course was titled How To Destroy A Country, then sure she sounds as an expert.


She isn't involved, her material would be studied. As a PP mentioned, she is actually mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African American History standards.

So I repeat the question. Are those topics to be banned from study now or what's your point?
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 08:37     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history


This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.


+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.


Without opposing views?

Where in the syllabus does it say there won’t be opposing views?
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 08:27     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history


This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.


Davis is a self-avowed Communist and Marxist.


Are those topics banned in highschool now or what's your point?



DP: well it is quite stupid to have a person like that involved in developing a course on AA Studies.

Now, if the course was titled How To Destroy A Country, then sure she sounds as an expert.