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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

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Anonymous wrote:I am really happy for obese people who have found a solution.

But what worries is me is that people that are just a bit overweight will start taking it instead of exercising and watching what they eat. It is jarring reading the other posts on this forum with people asking what exercise programs they should be on to lose weight (for example) and then reading this thread. Exercise just seems like useless hard work compared to just taking a drug.

Personally I have maintained a normal weight but exercise daily and watch what I eat really closely. I would much rather not exercise and eat what I want. These drugs seem to promise that you can do that.

EXACTLY! This is the problem that has been pointed out several times.

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Anonymous wrote:I am really happy for obese people who have found a solution.

But what worries is me is that people that are just a bit overweight will start taking it instead of exercising and watching what they eat. It is jarring reading the other posts on this forum with people asking what exercise programs they should be on to lose weight (for example) and then reading this thread. Exercise just seems like useless hard work compared to just taking a drug.

Personally I have maintained a normal weight but exercise daily and watch what I eat really closely. I would much rather not exercise and eat what I want. These drugs seem to promise that you can do that.

The mindset should be that exercise is to keep your body strong and healthy, not to lose weight. There are plenty of thin old people with brittle bones and all hunched over. Strength training could have prevented some of those issues. We shouldn't stop selling the importance of exercise!

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

Anonymous wrote:I am really happy for obese people who have found a solution.

But what worries is me is that people that are just a bit overweight will start taking it instead of exercising and watching what they eat. It is jarring reading the other posts on this forum with people asking what exercise programs they should be on to lose weight (for example) and then reading this thread. Exercise just seems like useless hard work compared to just taking a drug.

Personally I have maintained a normal weight but exercise daily and watch what I eat really closely. I would much rather not exercise and eat what I want. These drugs seem to promise that you can do that.

Anonymous wrote:I am really happy for obese people who have found a solution.

But what worries is me is that people that are just a bit overweight will start taking it instead of exercising and watching what they eat. It is jarring reading the other posts on this forum with people asking what exercise programs they should be on to lose weight (for example) and then reading this thread. Exercise just seems like useless hard work compared to just taking a drug.

Personally I have maintained a normal weight but exercise daily and watch what I eat really closely. I would much rather not exercise and eat what I want. These drugs seem to promise that you can do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

That there are morbidly obese people who like being that way. Smug about their Instagram worthy lifestyle and not seeing that they even need to lose weight much less get on a drug that gets rid of their appetite.

They…don’t need to lose weight if they don’t want to. You’re just mad about people being fat on Instagram now?

It’s the body positivity they’re trying to market. Like they want people to know how beautiful and fun it is to be super morbidly obese. For the vast majority of people, morality does not come into play and these drugs are the only thing that has made a dent in weight loss goals. I celebrate that. But for a number of people, they glorify their fatness. Wouldn’t change a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

They are just deeply mentally disordered. The impact of Ozempic is forcing them to reckon with their own serious mental health problems, and they don’t like it.

Where are you seeing a mental disorder? People who track what they eat to ensure they don't become obese? That is what everyone should be doing, so they can avoid getting to the place where only drugs can help them.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

They are just deeply mentally disordered. The impact of Ozempic is forcing them to reckon with their own serious mental health problems, and they don’t like it.