Anonymous
01/17/2023 15:04
Subject: Re:What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed.
Not sure what your source is, but last year's WSJ rankings (the final set WSJ publiished) said NEU ranked #82 among student "Outcomes" - which isn't bad in the grand scheme of things but isn't "T20/T25" and in fact ranks NEU behind UMD/CP and VPI and Pitt and Indiana.
I would go with the data from the Department of the Education.
Also what's good about this is that it's for the folks who got any type of federal grant or loan which covers a big portion of the lower class, middle class, and UMC folks, and eliminates the rich folks effect that skews the result.
So if you are lower class, middle class, UMC, then definitely pay attention to this.
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/
Median, began college 10 years ago
Northeastern 80K
Brown $79K
Vanderbilt 80K
Emory 72K
Rice 78K
UCLA 74K
UCB 80K
Northwestern 80K
UVA 77K
NYU 76K
Michigan 76K
This is already 10 out of 25, and there are a few little better like 83K 84K
This data is easily skewed with high concentrations of engineering and computer science majors which make good money immediately at age 22. And is sunk by colleges with lots of students going into academia and medicine, which take upwards of 12 years of schooling before you get a nice pay check.
I would say medical school is the only excuse after 10 years from the start. If you think some schools have unusually and constantly
send high number of graduates to medical schools, take that into a consideration.
The point is, what students major in drastically affect this.
If Majority of students are Engineering/Health sciences/CS, by year 10 they will have high salaries.
If more major in things that don't lead to high income, your results will be skewed lower. It's not a direct results of "the specific school" but a result of the student's major.
Of course schools with more serious real majors (i.e. MIT) get more respect and compensation from the industries.
Easy majors that anybody can do get less respect and receive less.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 13:21
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Safeties and accepted for CS from FCPS... Pitt, Ohio State, UMN.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 13:14
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Indiana Kelley not a safety-need solid GPA and high test scores (really around 1450 although they advertise lower). Great name and program.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 13:09
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
He got into Dartmouth ED
Anonymous
01/17/2023 12:50
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:My son safeties:
Indiana
UMD
Case western
U Miami
Picked by him and his college counselor
He got into Kelley school rolling admission
He end up getting accepted to his ED choice
For families new to college admissions: Case and UMiami are not safeties, not by a longshot. Both have reputations for yield management (deferring/denying high stats applicants). Must show a great deal of interest. They can only be considered safeties AFTER receiving acceptance EA.
Indiana can be a good safety choice for business.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 10:04
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:My son safeties:
Indiana
UMD
Case western
U Miami
Picked by him and his college counselor
He got into Kelley school rolling admission
He end up getting accepted to his ED choice
Just curious, what was the ED choice?
Anonymous
01/17/2023 09:58
Subject: Re:What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed.
Not sure what your source is, but last year's WSJ rankings (the final set WSJ publiished) said NEU ranked #82 among student "Outcomes" - which isn't bad in the grand scheme of things but isn't "T20/T25" and in fact ranks NEU behind UMD/CP and VPI and Pitt and Indiana.
I would go with the data from the Department of the Education.
Also what's good about this is that it's for the folks who got any type of federal grant or loan which covers a big portion of the lower class, middle class, and UMC folks, and eliminates the rich folks effect that skews the result.
So if you are lower class, middle class, UMC, then definitely pay attention to this.
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/
Median, began college 10 years ago
Northeastern 80K
Brown $79K
Vanderbilt 80K
Emory 72K
Rice 78K
UCLA 74K
UCB 80K
Northwestern 80K
UVA 77K
NYU 76K
Michigan 76K
This is already 10 out of 25, and there are a few little better like 83K 84K
This data is easily skewed with high concentrations of engineering and computer science majors which make good money immediately at age 22. And is sunk by colleges with lots of students going into academia and medicine, which take upwards of 12 years of schooling before you get a nice pay check.
I would say medical school is the only excuse after 10 years from the start. If you think some schools have unusually and constantly
send high number of graduates to medical schools, take that into a consideration.
The point is, what students major in drastically affect this.
If Majority of students are Engineering/Health sciences/CS, by year 10 they will have high salaries.
If more major in things that don't lead to high income, your results will be skewed lower. It's not a direct results of "the specific school" but a result of the student's major.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 09:54
Subject: Re:What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:My son did not apply to any safeties. He applied to 8 matches. I was very nervous seeing his list...
Luckily, he got accepted by one match. We are waiting for others.
College application is a stressful experience
If you only apply to matches, it's even more stressful. You are lucky, but could just as easily be sitting with 0/8 come April. That is why you need safeties. Helps make the process less stressful
Anonymous
01/17/2023 05:10
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
My son safeties:
Indiana
UMD
Case western
U Miami
Picked by him and his college counselor
He got into Kelley school rolling admission
He end up getting accepted to his ED choice
Indiana
UMD
Case western
U Miami
Picked by him and his college counselor
He got into Kelley school rolling admission
He end up getting accepted to his ED choice
Anonymous
01/17/2023 02:31
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Agree w the acceptance rate/yield rate being super important for tire safeties. Of course a kid w truly high stats would get into a BU/BC or trinity/conn college if they EDed as they are well above the 75th percentile. But this type of school cares about those rates and know this kid won’t matriculate so may not waste an acceptance on an otherwise over qualified candidate.
A kid with truly high stats who EDs BU or BC will not definitely get in. It just hasn't been the case in the last cycle or two.
Yeah, I know a few very high stat kids who did ED to BC who were deferred this season.
I know of a one Not high stat kid got in ED
Anonymous
01/17/2023 01:26
Subject: What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
CS @ UMD.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 00:41
Subject: Re:What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Public: JMU, Virginia Tech, George Mason, Christopher Newport
Private: Richmond, Dickinson, Wake Forest, Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh
Some of these are in no way safeties. Virginia Tech, in particular, should not be on this list.
The privates here are not safeties. Virginia Tech is not a safety. Look at state flagships that are not as competitive for good safety.
VT has 70 percent accept rate
No, it doesn’t. In 2022 it was 52%. Also one cannot compare the percentage of acceptances at a state university against privates, the reasons being tgat in-state Virginians self-select (there is only one Virginia Tech and the acceptance figures are well known so students have a very good understanding before they apply if whether or not they will get in … or at least used to until the President went on a URM and first generation tear and started yield protectio n against top TH students and other high stats kids). And, yes, engineering is a public higher admit, especially so because more than half of the VT engineering majors are OOS
Anonymous
01/16/2023 23:32
Subject: Re:What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Public: JMU, Virginia Tech, George Mason, Christopher Newport
Private: Richmond, Dickinson, Wake Forest, Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh
Some of these are in no way safeties. Virginia Tech, in particular, should not be on this list.
The privates here are not safeties. Virginia Tech is not a safety. Look at state flagships that are not as competitive for good safety.
VT has 70 percent accept rate
It depends on which major. Some majors are much more selective (namely engineering).
Anonymous
01/16/2023 22:51
Subject: Re:What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Public: JMU, Virginia Tech, George Mason, Christopher Newport
Private: Richmond, Dickinson, Wake Forest, Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh
Some of these are in no way safeties. Virginia Tech, in particular, should not be on this list.
The privates here are not safeties. Virginia Tech is not a safety. Look at state flagships that are not as competitive for good safety.
VT has 70 percent accept rate
Anonymous
01/16/2023 21:09
Subject: Re:What are your high stat kid’s safeties?
Anonymous wrote:Really OP I think safeties for high state kids have to be in the 100-200 USNWR range at this point.
A safety for a high stats kid has a 50% to 75% acceptance rate. If they really want to go to a school that appears to be a safety (especially those that yield protect, like Lehigh), they need to make it clear they seriously want to attend.