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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

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https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2023/01/ua-2023Applications.html#:~:text=A%20historic%20high%2047%2C128%20first,implemented%20in%20the%20admissions%20process.

4.06 WGPA means 3.5 uGPA with 10 APS. In other words on part with GMU not UVA.

DP. No, that's not not what it means. Nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.

When you see a Christmas tree in the top right - THAT’S yield management. I mean, why would Va Tech accept 1550+ valedictorian English majors that they know would never attend such a school?

DP. So curious how you think you know what majors these applicants have. Oh, and btw - my DC is indeed an English and Russian double major at VT and had top stats when applying from high school. Maybe you really don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. Something to consider.

Couldn't get into UVA or W&M?

Applied ED to VT as that was her first choice school. Very turned off by both UVA and W&M, for different reasons. Nice try, though!

Interesting choice, good luck to her

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

Link to this information?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.

When you see a Christmas tree in the top right - THAT’S yield management. I mean, why would Va Tech accept 1550+ valedictorian English majors that they know would never attend such a school?

DP. So curious how you think you know what majors these applicants have. Oh, and btw - my DC is indeed an English and Russian double major at VT and had top stats when applying from high school. Maybe you really don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. Something to consider.

Couldn't get into UVA or W&M?

Applied ED to VT as that was her first choice school. Very turned off by both UVA and W&M, for different reasons. Nice try, though!

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

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https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2023/01/ua-2023Applications.html#:~:text=A%20historic%20high%2047%2C128%20first,implemented%20in%20the%20admissions%20process.

4.06 WGPA means 3.5 uGPA with 10 APS. In other words on part with GMU not UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.

Va Tech is not the flagship.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

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https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2023/01/ua-2023Applications.html#:~:text=A%20historic%20high%2047%2C128%20first,implemented%20in%20the%20admissions%20process.

4.06 WGPA means 3.5 uGPA with 10 APS. In other words on part with GMU not UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

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https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2023/01/ua-2023Applications.html#:~:text=A%20historic%20high%2047%2C128%20first,implemented%20in%20the%20admissions%20process.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you go test optional with a 1230 SAT and 3.7 w GPA?

wow it's so inflated these days back in my day 3.3 GPA and 1100 would be a solid score for VT engineering

Sure, Jan.

Actually yes. VTs average SAT in my day was 1030

This is not 1980 anymore. Catch up.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

But it’s true. My FCPS HS - the average WGPA is over 4.0….

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

That’s not at all what the previous post was claiming.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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Anonymous wrote:Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.

Va Tech is not the flagship.

Anonymous wrote:Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.