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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

Oh come one. Why do people say dumb sh-- like this? Pay for friends . . . people "pay for friends" all the time in one way or another: country clubs, for example. Even in sports . . . that's not free. Not by a long shot. And part of the reason people do that is to find their group, tribe, friends, whatever. I'm not some Greek rah-rah person but get real. This is not unique to Greeks.

Trust me, we're all glad you attended university somewhere else too.

Anonymous wrote:Are people actually this willfully ignorant of the KKK’s roots in early collegiate fraternities, or are these sorority sisters engaging in revisionist history? What is going on with this thread?

People, it takes three seconds to Google. The Greek life/KKK parallel has been made for ages; this isn’t new. The KKK was literally founded by members of KA and SAE.

Maybe everyone knows you are wrong. The first frat was formed at William & Mary 100 years before the KKK was founded. Most frats and sororities actually had a religious mission and excluded not by race but by religion …. So the jews created their own. Since 1998 PanHell groups are working to unite all the frats and sor out cities no matter what race, religion or creed

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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

Are people actually this willfully ignorant of the KKK’s roots in early collegiate fraternities, or are these sorority sisters engaging in revisionist history? What is going on with this thread?

People, it takes three seconds to Google. The Greek life/KKK parallel has been made for ages; this isn’t new. The KKK was literally founded by members of KA and SAE.

Anonymous wrote:So many teenagers on this thread.

Seriously. There’s no way 50 year old women are this gung ho about having been a sorority sister and going to lengths this far to defend Greek life. Lmao.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the interns from the national office really jumped in all over this thread for PR.

Seriously. This is absurd. No one in real life loves Greek life as much as these people claim to. The astroturfing on DCUM is getting out of control.

And the people that hate Greek life would know this how? Sorry to disappoint, I’m a real person who had a great time as a member of a sorority and hope my daughter chooses to rush as well.

It’s just seen as terribly gauche. The equivalent to someone who, 30 years later, continues to brag about having been a cheerleader in middle school as if it were the highlight of their life. And that’s a generous comparison — a less generous comparison would be someone who’s just very proud of being a member of the KKK. I’m sure 70 years ago, it was all the rage, too.

You cannot be serious. Get a grip. Wow.
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You do realize that the KKK was directly inspired by Greek life. Right?

Sure, Jan.

Ha. She probably read that the KKK started as a "fraternal" social club and thinks the word fraternal means college Greek Life.

Y’all are so braindead it’s embarrassing to watch.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-racist-fraternity-that-tried-to-shut-me-up

Tell us how you feel about the Divine Nine. Still waiting.
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???? How on earth is the existence of multicultural Greek life, which was explicitly created in response to the racist and exclusionary nature of Greek life, supposed to be a smoking gun in this conversation?

What does “suicide” a house mean?

So many teenagers on this thread.

^to suicide their house, which means to only rank that one house (and not to rank the other preference houses).

Dirty rushing was rampant at UMD when I attended - I was a Rho Chi (recruitment counselor - I think they’re now called Rho Gammas) so I saw it first hand with my girls. Of course, girls never wanted to complain officially, so nothing really happened as a punishment).

Anonymous wrote:According to a study published in the NASPA journal, women in sororities are 74% more likely to be raped than their peers.

https://dailytrojan.com/2021/10/08/usc-drinking-culture-perpetuates-sexism/

See also https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christopher-Einolf/publication/24442315_Sorority_Participation_and_Sexual_Assault_Risk/links/54cbbc000cf24601c0895730/Sorority-Participation-and-Sexual-Assault-Risk.pdf

https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/dignity/vol6/iss1/9/

you seem a little too excited to say that

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Anonymous wrote:At UMD, some sororities also participated in “dirty rush” by telling PNMs to suicide their house (only rank that one house), knowing that they girls weren’t high enough to get a bid. Then they would contact them under the guise of COB (continuous open bidding) and snap them up. It was a way to ensure they got all of the girls they wanted. Unfortunately, some girls always went that route and then didn’t get the bid later on, and they were usually the ones who invested so much into that one particular house that there wasn’t another house interested.

NP and I don’t know what any of this means.

Sororities can only take X number of girls - determined by PanHel (and by chapter sizes). If they like X+10 girls, they tell those extra 10, to whom they won’t be able to give bids on bid day, to suicidal their house, thereby leaving them without bids on bid day. Then the COB process begins post-bid day and they are free to give out additional bids.

Problem was they sometimes changed their minds about how many extra girls they wanted post-bid day. So some girls who threw away other opportunities (when I attended, you went to three houses for preference) ended up with no bid anyway (whereas had they no suicided the house, they may have received a bid from one of the other two houses).

I was just mentioning it as one of the ways girls can not get bids (in addition to the other avenues).

Well if an adjunct professor at Virginia Tech says so, then it must be so.

According to a study published in the NASPA journal, women in sororities are 74% more likely to be raped than their peers.

https://dailytrojan.com/2021/10/08/usc-drinking-culture-perpetuates-sexism/

See also https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christopher-Einolf/publication/24442315_Sorority_Participation_and_Sexual_Assault_Risk/links/54cbbc000cf24601c0895730/Sorority-Participation-and-Sexual-Assault-Risk.pdf

https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/dignity/vol6/iss1/9/

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the interns from the national office really jumped in all over this thread for PR.

Seriously. This is absurd. No one in real life loves Greek life as much as these people claim to. The astroturfing on DCUM is getting out of control.

And the people that hate Greek life would know this how? Sorry to disappoint, I’m a real person who had a great time as a member of a sorority and hope my daughter chooses to rush as well.

It’s just seen as terribly gauche. The equivalent to someone who, 30 years later, continues to brag about having been a cheerleader in middle school as if it were the highlight of their life. And that’s a generous comparison — a less generous comparison would be someone who’s just very proud of being a member of the KKK. I’m sure 70 years ago, it was all the rage, too.

You cannot be serious. Get a grip. Wow.
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You do realize that the KKK was directly inspired by Greek life. Right?

Sure, Jan.

Ha. She probably read that the KKK started as a "fraternal" social club and thinks the word fraternal means college Greek Life.

Y’all are so braindead it’s embarrassing to watch.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-racist-fraternity-that-tried-to-shut-me-up

I do not think that article says what you think it says.

Man, national must be working overtime if they’re astroturfing threads on DCUM to this extent.