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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Washington freed his slaves.

Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country.

Lee supported slavery so much so that he killed 600k Americans trying to protect it. If he didn't want to "fight his brothers and state" then he could have abstained from the war. Nope. He chose to actively defend slavery.

No. Jefferson was a great man, a genius, and made this country, as well as the other countries who have taken this country as a model.

As for Washington freeing his slaves, well, he didn't. But it was a very difficult thing to do at that time, the laws were intentionally made that way.

Jefferson was seriously flawed on so many levels.

I don’t get the fan boys.

Our country would have been better off if he had a smaller role.

Anonymous wrote:I personally support keeping them, not because I stand for what they supported, but it’s an influential piece of history that is many ways unique to Virginia and a reminder of how far we’ve came.

X100

We only discuss and then sometimes act on the changing of names/removal of statues of slaveholders because this country has so much foundational text on liberty and equality.

You’d get nowhere trying to tear down the founders (in reputation, statuary and memoriam) in a great many other places for holding slaves, oppressing the population, sexism etc.

It’s so ironic that so many Americans can’t appreciate that.

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

When Lee invaded Pennsylvania his army captured free blacks into slavery.

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country.

Jefferson was part of an insurrection. He's only considered a hero because it was successful.

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Washington freed his slaves.

Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country.

Lee supported slavery so much so that he killed 600k Americans trying to protect it. If he didn't want to "fight his brothers and state" then he could have abstained from the war. Nope. He chose to actively defend slavery.

No. Jefferson was a great man, a genius, and made this country, as well as the other countries who have taken this country as a model.

As for Washington freeing his slaves, well, he didn't. But it was a very difficult thing to do at that time, the laws were intentionally made that way.

Anonymous wrote:As someone who just spent a darn fortune on real estate taxes in NoVA, with a huge majority of it designated for schools, spending money on renaming and signage really pisses me off. Educate the kids for God’s sake!

As someone who had likely spent even more on real estate taxes in NoVA, I fully support spending the money to fix this legacy of the Jim Crow era racists.

This teaches our kids to do the right thing, even if it's easier just to do nothing.

Anonymous wrote:As someone who just spent a darn fortune on real estate taxes in NoVA, with a huge majority of it designated for schools, spending money on renaming and signage really pisses me off. Educate the kids for God’s sake!

FCPS is happy to rename Lee HS and even happier to preserve boundaries that concentrate the poor kids at Lewis and the wealthier kids at West Springfield. It’s a crappy school but the School Board loves to talk about how supportive they are of “good trouble.”

As someone who just spent a darn fortune on real estate taxes in NoVA, with a huge majority of it designated for schools, spending money on renaming and signage really pisses me off. Educate the kids for God’s sake!

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Washington freed his slaves.

Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country.


Lee supported slavery so much so that he killed 600k Americans trying to protect it. If he didn't want to "fight his brothers and state" then he could have abstained from the war. Nope. He chose to actively defend slavery.

So just because he freed his slaves makes his stance on race less evil? Lee wrote about the evils of slavery in his will. According to PPs’ posts, once a racist always a racists. Just because he didn’t fight his own country makes his acts against his slaves permissible? There is no justifiable reason behind wanting to minimize one but keep the others.

Yes. Washington thought it was wrong and did something (small) to stop it.

Lee actively took major steps to keep slavery. There were a lot of things he could have done in his position. Fighting against his country and killing 600k people to maintain slavery speaks for itself.

Not even close to equivalent.

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Washington freed his slaves.

Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country.


Lee supported slavery so much so that he killed 600k Americans trying to protect it. If he didn't want to "fight his brothers and state" then he could have abstained from the war. Nope. He chose to actively defend slavery.

So just because he freed his slaves makes his stance on race less evil? Lee wrote about the evils of slavery in his will. According to PPs’ posts, once a racist always a racists. Just because he didn’t fight his own country makes his acts against his slaves permissible? There is no justifiable reason behind wanting to minimize one but keep the others.

Yes, there is, for anyone not trying to minimize this with the slippery slope fallacy.

Also, this:

“We remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to ‘lay it on well,’ an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Washington freed his slaves.

Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country.


Lee supported slavery so much so that he killed 600k Americans trying to protect it. If he didn't want to "fight his brothers and state" then he could have abstained from the war. Nope. He chose to actively defend slavery.

So just because he freed his slaves makes his stance on race less evil? Lee wrote about the evils of slavery in his will. According to PPs’ posts, once a racist always a racists. Just because he didn’t fight his own country makes his acts against his slaves permissible? There is no justifiable reason behind wanting to minimize one but keep the others.

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Washington freed his slaves.

Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country.


Lee supported slavery so much so that he killed 600k Americans trying to protect it. If he didn't want to "fight his brothers and state" then he could have abstained from the war. Nope. He chose to actively defend slavery.

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

Lies.

“According to historians, not only did Lee own slaves, but he also fought in court to keep working slaves from his father-in-law’s estate. Claims casting Lee as an anti-slavery figure are tied to a false narrative known as the Lost Cause, which says the Confederate experience in the Civil War was not about slavery, but state’s rights.

Defenders of Lee point to a portion of a letter he wrote to his wife where he refers to slavery as a “moral & political evil.” But it is taken out of context. In the rest of the letter, Lee underscores that the “subjugation” of the slaves needs to go on longer and only God can free them.

“If you judge him by his actions, he separated families through sale, he beat slaves who ran away,” said Ariela Gross, professor of law and history at University of Southern California. Gross focuses on race and slavery in the United States. “He was completely engaged in the work of slave holding and supporting slavery.”

Learn more here if you care to blow up your entire bullsh|t worldview.
https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-9009420680

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Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.

So he made a choice to fight for a treasonous army in defense of slavery