Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
This is not accurate. The WaPo only suspended Dave Wiegel for a month on the day they fired Felicia Somnez. Until then, they had done nothing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
This is not accurate. The WaPo only suspended Dave Wiegel for a month on the day they fired Felicia Somnez. Until then, they had done nothing.
DP. Well suspending someone for a month without pay for a retweet that they deleted and apologized for is nuts. Properly, he should be suing WaPo. Not her.
Firing someone for complaining about a colleague’s bigoted tweet is far worse. It’s retaliation for someone speaking up about a hostile work environment for women.
That's not what happened
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
This is not accurate. The WaPo only suspended Dave Wiegel for a month on the day they fired Felicia Somnez. Until then, they had done nothing.
DP. Well suspending someone for a month without pay for a retweet that they deleted and apologized for is nuts. Properly, he should be suing WaPo. Not her.
Firing someone for complaining about a colleague’s bigoted tweet is far worse. It’s retaliation for someone speaking up about a hostile work environment for women.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
This is not accurate. The WaPo only suspended Dave Wiegel for a month on the day they fired Felicia Somnez. Until then, they had done nothing.
DP. Well suspending someone for a month without pay for a retweet that they deleted and apologized for is nuts. Properly, he should be suing WaPo. Not her.
Firing someone for complaining about a colleague’s bigoted tweet is far worse. It’s retaliation for someone speaking up about a hostile work environment for women.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
This is not accurate. The WaPo only suspended Dave Wiegel for a month on the day they fired Felicia Somnez. Until then, they had done nothing.
DP. Well suspending someone for a month without pay for a retweet that they deleted and apologized for is nuts. Properly, he should be suing WaPo. Not her.
Firing someone for complaining about a colleague’s bigoted tweet is far worse. It’s retaliation for someone speaking up about a hostile work environment for women.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
This is not accurate. The WaPo only suspended Dave Wiegel for a month on the day they fired Felicia Somnez. Until then, they had done nothing.
DP. Well suspending someone for a month without pay for a retweet that they deleted and apologized for is nuts. Properly, he should be suing WaPo. Not her.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
This is not accurate. The WaPo only suspended Dave Wiegel for a month on the day they fired Felicia Somnez. Until then, they had done nothing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The funny thing is that Dave Wiegel was already forced to resign from the Washington Post after just three months (in 2010) for writing unprofessional content. I guess the WaPo didn't learn its lesson.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/25/AR2010062504413.html
David Weigel, who was hired by The Washington Post to blog about conservatives, resigned Friday after leaked online messages showed him disparaging some Republicans and commentators in highly personal terms.
Weigel, whose tenure lasted three months, apologized Thursday for writing on a private e-mail exchange that Matt Drudge should "handle his emotional problems more responsibly and set himself on fire." He also mocked Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, by referring to the "Paultard Tea Party."
The lesson is that it's ok to disparage women but not ok to disparage conservatives if you work at the Washington Post.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
It sounds like she violated many company policies. I mean it seems to me like this is the scenario at hand:
Person A: Does something that Person B is understandably offended by but that notably is not injurious to anyone
Person B: Complains about the thing
Person A: Apologizes publicly and sincerely
Company: Suspends person A for a month without pay
Person B: Continues to disparage person A vociferously online and in the office repeatedly despite being warned to stop.
Person A: Continues to take their punishment without pushback
Company: Warns person B to cut it out
Person B: Keeps on launching a vehement campaign to get Person A fired
Company: Fires person B
Wapo punished Weigel, HARSHLY. Suspending someone for a month without pay is a harsh punishment. And he apologized and didn't dig in. She didn't want to accept that and got fired. That is not the same thing as retribution. Use kids.
Kid A: Steals toy and pushes kid B
Kid B: Complains
Parent: Tells Kid A they messed up
Kid A: Apologizes
Parent: Puts kid A in a lengthy time out
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough
Parent: Cut it out A is in timeout
Kid B: Whines and whines and whines about how parent isn't being mean enough in time out and then tells everyone at school about how horrible A is to get the whole school to turn against them
Parent: Grounds B for a month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.
Anonymous wrote:The funny thing is that Dave Wiegel was already forced to resign from the Washington Post after just three months (in 2010) for writing unprofessional content. I guess the WaPo didn't learn its lesson.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/25/AR2010062504413.html
David Weigel, who was hired by The Washington Post to blog about conservatives, resigned Friday after leaked online messages showed him disparaging some Republicans and commentators in highly personal terms.
Weigel, whose tenure lasted three months, apologized Thursday for writing on a private e-mail exchange that Matt Drudge should "handle his emotional problems more responsibly and set himself on fire." He also mocked Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, by referring to the "Paultard Tea Party."
David Weigel, who was hired by The Washington Post to blog about conservatives, resigned Friday after leaked online messages showed him disparaging some Republicans and commentators in highly personal terms.
Weigel, whose tenure lasted three months, apologized Thursday for writing on a private e-mail exchange that Matt Drudge should "handle his emotional problems more responsibly and set himself on fire." He also mocked Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, by referring to the "Paultard Tea Party."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/06/media/dave-weigel-washington-post-suspended/index.html
Sonmez on Sunday evening then tagged Buzbee and Gold on Twitter and said she had reached out to them to discuss the matter, but that she hadn't heard back.
"Retaliation against a colleague for speaking out against sexism is never okay," Sonmez wrote. "I hope Washington Post leaders treat this as the serious issue that it is."
By Monday morning, tension at The Post was still high.
Video technician Breanna Muir responded to Buzbee's all-staff email, applauding Sonmez for "speaking out against harassment, discrimination and sexism."
Muir attached a tweet showing that Micah Gelman, the head of The Post's video team, had once misidentified her as "Breanna Taylor."
"If the Washington Post is committed to an inclusive and respectful environment free of harassment, discrimination or bias of any sort, then can someone please help me understand Micah Gelman and David Weigel's tweets/rts?" Muir asked.
"These tweets/rts not only hurt women in our newsroom but make it extremely difficult to do our best work," Muir added. "Ultimately, it creates a toxic work environment."
Yikes. So that newsroom is okay with racism as well as sexism? I guess that isn’t a surprise but that’s pretty bad.
I mean, what?
Please cancel your WaPo subscription. And stay far away from Twitter. It's best to get your news from Facebook. I mean Meta.
Sorry you can't articulate why the Washington Post isn't racist or sexist. Seems like they're hiring people with poorer and poorer writing skills these days.
Throwing out random unsubstantiated accusations of racism is the opposite of helpful. But you do you.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, she was given several warnings to stop her behavior. She had a choice, but continued—sounds like a loose cannon.
+1 although I think she sounds like my 2 year old when he's having a temper tantrum. At this point whatever point she is trying to make is lost because of her poor behavior.
It is hard to see how she could ever be trusted as a reporter in the future and expect people to want to read what she has written because she has gone so far overboard. I know I would skip her article whenever I saw her byline simply because of her clear vitriolic and hyperbolic writings. She had a point, but when she was challenged her response vis a vis the personal attacks and clear animus made her distasteful and now her writing is irrelevant because of the clear bias.
She deserved to be fired because of her behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if she is completely unable to find employment with any legitimate news agency. She might be better off migrating over the New York Post. They are right up her alley.
The only post employee who attacked a colleague was Del Real. He attacked Somnez and she retweeted his attacks. Most of her tweets were retweeting language by the post. Del Real was not punished, Weigel suspended, and she was fired for speaking out. Stay silent ladies!
I don’t work at the Post but the optics of what they did looks terrible. Old boys club indeed.
Oh, get real. It was Somnez who was flipping out. I read the chain in the Post. The more she posted the more hysterical and vitriolic she got. She was a loose cannon. They're better off without her.
So much gender bias in the way some posters are talking about Somnez. “Hysterical” “flipping out”, “loose cannon.” None of these things seem to be apples to the man who started this whole incident by tweeting that all women are either bisexual or bipolar. Let’s call him some names too-not just the woman brave enough to call him out for being a woman hater.
Except he didn't display any hysterical behavior, and she did.
Funny how only women are ever called "hysterical". I don't think calling out Dave Wiegel for saying that women are either bipolar or bisexual is "hysterical." I do think Dave Wiegel is somewhat sociopathic.
Felicia, just stop. He is in no way "sociopathic." You, however, are being "hysterical." Please get help.
BTW I am a woman telling you this. You are embarrassing the rest of us women. Let it go.
You can try to say this is "Felicia" posting this. But it's not. I'm a female Washington Post subscriber who is disgusted that a newspaper I pay money for would fire someone for calling out a misogynistic tweet. Sorry your mind is so limited that it can't comprehend that people do not approve of behavior that targets women.
Well I am a female feminist VERY liberal Washington Post subscriber who is honestly pretty disgusted with the outcry. Maybe its because I've followed Weigel for years so I feel like this one tweet is really not representative of his entire personality, but like, I really feel like we have all lost the thread if we want to deprive people of their livelihood for mistakes. Seriously, if there is no way to come back from mistakes, why would anyone ever even try? This burn everything down mentality is really short sighted.
The only one who has been deprived of their livelihood is Felicia Somnez, who didn't make any mistakes, but is instead being retaliated against for calling out Weigel's sexist tweets.