Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 14:00     Subject: Re:Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
^^oh and also the person at concierge who remembers you so well also has to be the bartender in that scenario, I guess, since you're at the bar. And they have to leave the bar to rush up to your room and grab your kid.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:58     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is comparable to leaving kids home alone. The difference is that in a hotel, there are many people around who know you're there with kids. And when they see you at the bar they know for sure the kids are alone in the room. Creeps and predators know how to take advantage of these things. I don't think traffickers are trolling hotels to kidnap kids. But we do know that sometimes bad people do bad things.

Have the kid use the inside safety lock so A key wouldn't work. A very aware and mature 13 year old would be fine, if she understands she's to call you even if an employee knocks on the door.


The first statement is not true in a large hotel, please. And the kids could be upstairs with a sitter, or spending the night at a friend's house, or... OR.... maybe the random person who checked you in DOES remember your exact face and DOES remember you had a 12 year old with you yesterday WHO ISN'T WITH YOU NOW, and thinks OMIGOD THAT 12 YEAR OLD MIGHT BE UP THERE WATCHING A MOVIE ALONE! But now, you have to go a step further and that person who noticed all of that also has to be someone who wants to kidnap and sex traffic a 12 year old. So.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:58     Subject: Re:Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:Bring the kid down if you can or have a drink in room. This is a no brainer.


I mean, when I was a teen, my parents let me decide if e.g. I wanted to sleep in or go out to a bakery with them in the morning when we travelled. I don't see why they should have been forced to drag me along if I didn't want to go, or why I should have had to try to sleep through them chatting over breakfast. (They weren't drinkers so not the OP's scenario but the same thing essentially.) I think a 13-year-old is fine, provided you trust that they won't get up to mischief.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:53     Subject: Re:Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Bring the kid down if you can or have a drink in room. This is a no brainer.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:52     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is comparable to leaving kids home alone. The difference is that in a hotel, there are many people around who know you're there with kids. And when they see you at the bar they know for sure the kids are alone in the room. Creeps and predators know how to take advantage of these things. I don't think traffickers are trolling hotels to kidnap kids. But we do know that sometimes bad people do bad things.

Have the kid use the inside safety lock so A key wouldn't work. A very aware and mature 13 year old would be fine, if she understands she's to call you even if an employee knocks on the door.


I know, people ignoring that it’s a hotel.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:49     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
I don't think this is comparable to leaving kids home alone. The difference is that in a hotel, there are many people around who know you're there with kids. And when they see you at the bar they know for sure the kids are alone in the room. Creeps and predators know how to take advantage of these things. I don't think traffickers are trolling hotels to kidnap kids. But we do know that sometimes bad people do bad things.

Have the kid use the inside safety lock so A key wouldn't work. A very aware and mature 13 year old would be fine, if she understands she's to call you even if an employee knocks on the door.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:47     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We set our parents kitchen on fire when left alone at 11 & 14. Thankfully it was a small one and we managed to clean it up and air out house. Told mom I was burning paper - she didn’t love that but accepted explanation. Latch key kids can finesse a lot. We’d most likely have behaved better in a hotel, but def would have left the room to explore hotel first second folks were off the floor. Prob would have found them in the bar as a final joke. Pre iPads though…imagine it’s different now.


Exactly right and of most kids. Sibling set woods on fire behind house at 15 or 16. Lots of other stories and one sibling was walking home from school and man asked him to help find puppy while older brother was walking ahead always.


No, setting forest fires and almost being a victim of a stranger kidnapping- which is obscenely rare- is not a normal childhood experience.


Neither is a parent bailing on their child in a hotel because they are a burden on their adult time.


Actually it's pretty normal for adults to leave young teens, or 12 year olds, alone for an hour or so in the evening. Even legal. As opposed to setting the WOODS ON FIRE, which is psychopath behavior. I'm not sure I can trust your judgment if you think that arson is run of the mill young teen behavior.


Do you know what psychopath behavior is? Or do you just throw that term around when it suits you?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:45     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We set our parents kitchen on fire when left alone at 11 & 14. Thankfully it was a small one and we managed to clean it up and air out house. Told mom I was burning paper - she didn’t love that but accepted explanation. Latch key kids can finesse a lot. We’d most likely have behaved better in a hotel, but def would have left the room to explore hotel first second folks were off the floor. Prob would have found them in the bar as a final joke. Pre iPads though…imagine it’s different now.


Exactly right and of most kids. Sibling set woods on fire behind house at 15 or 16. Lots of other stories and one sibling was walking home from school and man asked him to help find puppy while older brother was walking ahead always.


No, setting forest fires and almost being a victim of a stranger kidnapping- which is obscenely rare- is not a normal childhood experience.


Neither is a parent bailing on their child in a hotel because they are a burden on their adult time.


Actually it's pretty normal for adults to leave young teens, or 12 year olds, alone for an hour or so in the evening. Even legal. As opposed to setting the WOODS ON FIRE, which is psychopath behavior. I'm not sure I can trust your judgment if you think that arson is run of the mill young teen behavior.


Never said arson was okay and cut the psychopath diagnosis as if you are knowledgeable of that. I have left my child alone at home, not in a hotel which you conveniently left out. And actually I’m some jurisdictions, it’s not legal at that age. You just vomit out stuff that you have no clue about.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:40     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We set our parents kitchen on fire when left alone at 11 & 14. Thankfully it was a small one and we managed to clean it up and air out house. Told mom I was burning paper - she didn’t love that but accepted explanation. Latch key kids can finesse a lot. We’d most likely have behaved better in a hotel, but def would have left the room to explore hotel first second folks were off the floor. Prob would have found them in the bar as a final joke. Pre iPads though…imagine it’s different now.


Exactly right and of most kids. Sibling set woods on fire behind house at 15 or 16. Lots of other stories and one sibling was walking home from school and man asked him to help find puppy while older brother was walking ahead always.


No, setting forest fires and almost being a victim of a stranger kidnapping- which is obscenely rare- is not a normal childhood experience.


Neither is a parent bailing on their child in a hotel because they are a burden on their adult time.


Actually it's pretty normal for adults to leave young teens, or 12 year olds, alone for an hour or so in the evening. Even legal. As opposed to setting the WOODS ON FIRE, which is psychopath behavior. I'm not sure I can trust your judgment if you think that arson is run of the mill young teen behavior.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:38     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We set our parents kitchen on fire when left alone at 11 & 14. Thankfully it was a small one and we managed to clean it up and air out house. Told mom I was burning paper - she didn’t love that but accepted explanation. Latch key kids can finesse a lot. We’d most likely have behaved better in a hotel, but def would have left the room to explore hotel first second folks were off the floor. Prob would have found them in the bar as a final joke. Pre iPads though…imagine it’s different now.


Exactly right and of most kids. Sibling set woods on fire behind house at 15 or 16. Lots of other stories and one sibling was walking home from school and man asked him to help find puppy while older brother was walking ahead always.


No, setting forest fires and almost being a victim of a stranger kidnapping- which is obscenely rare- is not a normal childhood experience.


Neither is a parent bailing on their child in a hotel because they are a burden on their adult time.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:36     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look up Madeline McCann. Then ask yourself again if this is a good idea.


McCann was 3 and is world famous because this scenario is so uncommon to be bizarre beyond belief.



Exactly. White yuppies are so convinced that there are traffickers lurking around every corner waiting to swoop in and kidnap their blonde angels. The actual likelihood of that happening is SO rare. It is why we all know the Madeline McCann story. It is an anomaly.

Please check the data. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wisconsin-missinggirl-data/kidnapped-children-make-headlines-but-abduction-is-rare-in-u-s-idUSKCN1P52BJ

Most "kidnappings" are situations where child is abducted by a non custodial parent and its a divorce/separation drama, You've all been gaslit by QAnon crap that has become mainstream now on the trafficking front. Is trafficking real and a problem? Yes. But the movie Taken isn't about to happen to your kid.


How about instead of all your nonsense, the parent can have a drink in the room. There, solved it for you!


You're really fixated on the alcohol consumption part of the question. It's more about just having some adult time after the kids go to sleep, and chatting, as opposed to drinking wine in a pitch black room while whispering, which is what you seem to think is the normal thing to do.


Ohhhh, so adult time can only come when a parent is on a trip with their child sleeping in a hotel room. No other time, got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:35     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We set our parents kitchen on fire when left alone at 11 & 14. Thankfully it was a small one and we managed to clean it up and air out house. Told mom I was burning paper - she didn’t love that but accepted explanation. Latch key kids can finesse a lot. We’d most likely have behaved better in a hotel, but def would have left the room to explore hotel first second folks were off the floor. Prob would have found them in the bar as a final joke. Pre iPads though…imagine it’s different now.


Exactly right and of most kids. Sibling set woods on fire behind house at 15 or 16. Lots of other stories and one sibling was walking home from school and man asked him to help find puppy while older brother was walking ahead always.


No, setting forest fires and almost being a victim of a stranger kidnapping- which is obscenely rare- is not a normal childhood experience.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:33     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My 17yo was on a school trip earlier this week that included freshman-seniors. Obviously they were all in hotel rooms without adults (the chaperones were in their own rooms). So by the logic of many of you, were all of these teens in horrible danger because the housekeepers and mangers had keys to open their rooms in the middle of the night? I mean, if anything groups like this are MORE at risk because it's pretty obvious there isn't the same kind of adult supervision happening like there would be if they were there with their parents. And yet trips like these happen all the time and kids survive them.

In answer to the question asked, I would say somewhere between 12-14, depending on the kid's maturity, comfort with the idea (I would never leave without them knowing ahead of time), and your trust in their ability to handle themselves in a room on their own.


Bingo. But, I bet many of these folks would not let their child go on that sort of trip.


Kind of like you said “the kids survive these trips by themselves,” then the parents can survive one night not going down to the bar.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:33     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look up Madeline McCann. Then ask yourself again if this is a good idea.


McCann was 3 and is world famous because this scenario is so uncommon to be bizarre beyond belief.



Exactly. White yuppies are so convinced that there are traffickers lurking around every corner waiting to swoop in and kidnap their blonde angels. The actual likelihood of that happening is SO rare. It is why we all know the Madeline McCann story. It is an anomaly.

Please check the data. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wisconsin-missinggirl-data/kidnapped-children-make-headlines-but-abduction-is-rare-in-u-s-idUSKCN1P52BJ

Most "kidnappings" are situations where child is abducted by a non custodial parent and its a divorce/separation drama, You've all been gaslit by QAnon crap that has become mainstream now on the trafficking front. Is trafficking real and a problem? Yes. But the movie Taken isn't about to happen to your kid.


How about instead of all your nonsense, the parent can have a drink in the room. There, solved it for you!


You're really fixated on the alcohol consumption part of the question. It's more about just having some adult time after the kids go to sleep, and chatting, as opposed to drinking wine in a pitch black room while whispering, which is what you seem to think is the normal thing to do.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2022 13:31     Subject: Age to leave child alone sleeping in hotel room to go downstairs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My 17yo was on a school trip earlier this week that included freshman-seniors. Obviously they were all in hotel rooms without adults (the chaperones were in their own rooms). So by the logic of many of you, were all of these teens in horrible danger because the housekeepers and mangers had keys to open their rooms in the middle of the night? I mean, if anything groups like this are MORE at risk because it's pretty obvious there isn't the same kind of adult supervision happening like there would be if they were there with their parents. And yet trips like these happen all the time and kids survive them.

In answer to the question asked, I would say somewhere between 12-14, depending on the kid's maturity, comfort with the idea (I would never leave without them knowing ahead of time), and your trust in their ability to handle themselves in a room on their own.


Bingo. But, I bet many of these folks would not let their child go on that sort of trip.


This anecdotal story is about a school trip and that’s to be expected. Most if not all the rooms near are people they know. The OP is in a hotel with her child. She could easily have a drink in the room.