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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“In Pennsylvania, where a strict photo ID law was passed but had not been implemented, a woman joined the American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit against the state for that very reason. Joyce Block, according to the ACLU of Pennsylvania’s website, had never driven and didn’t have a state-issued ID, but when she went to get an ID in 2012 she was told she couldn’t because her birth certificate and her Social Security card were in her maiden name. The only official document she had with her married name on it was her ketubah, the marriage certificate she had received during her traditional Jewish wedding ceremony. Because it was written in Hebrew, a DMV official couldn’t verify it.”

“A full 34% of women don’t have documents proving citizenship with their current name on it,” Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center told TIME. “Why do we have such strict limitations on what kinds of documents people can have when they need to vote?”
https://swampland.time.com/2013/10/24/what-voter-id-laws-really-mean-for-women-voters-in-texas/

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PP has provided nearly a dozen examples - named people. And the GOP PPs have gone mysteriously silent.

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“In Pennsylvania, where a strict photo ID law was passed but had not been implemented, a woman joined the American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit against the state for that very reason. Joyce Block, according to the ACLU of Pennsylvania’s website, had never driven and didn’t have a state-issued ID, but when she went to get an ID in 2012 she was told she couldn’t because her birth certificate and her Social Security card were in her maiden name. The only official document she had with her married name on it was her ketubah, the marriage certificate she had received during her traditional Jewish wedding ceremony. Because it was written in Hebrew, a DMV official couldn’t verify it.”

“A full 34% of women don’t have documents proving citizenship with their current name on it,” Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center told TIME. “Why do we have such strict limitations on what kinds of documents people can have when they need to vote?”
https://swampland.time.com/2013/10/24/what-voter-id-laws-really-mean-for-women-voters-in-texas/

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“For the majority of voters who do not have photo ID, applying means they must pay for required personal documents.

Donna Dubose, 63, was delivered at home by a midwife who recorded her name as Baby Girl Kennedy. She attended college for three years, aided by federal grants. Although financial strains prevented her from graduating, Dubose was trained as a nurse’s aide and retired about a decade ago.

“My life wasn’t a pleasant road,” Dubose said. “But in my mind all I wanted to do was take care of people.”

With the help of Williams and attorney Murrell Smith, a Republican state representative who voted in favor of photo voter ID, Dubose obtained a corrected birth certificate and a government-issued photo ID.

Williams is now helping Dubose’s husband, James, who lost his personal documents when his childhood home burned. James Dubose, a former railroad worker who is illiterate, has voted for the majority of his life and said he has never been asked to show a photo ID at the polls.

“It makes me really frustrated to not be able to vote all of a sudden,” James Dubose, 75, said.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/will-new-photo-id-laws-keep-down-black-vote-south-flna943483

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“In Pennsylvania, where a strict photo ID law was passed but had not been implemented, a woman joined the American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit against the state for that very reason. Joyce Block, according to the ACLU of Pennsylvania’s website, had never driven and didn’t have a state-issued ID, but when she went to get an ID in 2012 she was told she couldn’t because her birth certificate and her Social Security card were in her maiden name. The only official document she had with her married name on it was her ketubah, the marriage certificate she had received during her traditional Jewish wedding ceremony. Because it was written in Hebrew, a DMV official couldn’t verify it.”

“A full 34% of women don’t have documents proving citizenship with their current name on it,” Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center told TIME. “Why do we have such strict limitations on what kinds of documents people can have when they need to vote?”
https://swampland.time.com/2013/10/24/what-voter-id-laws-really-mean-for-women-voters-in-texas/

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“Hicks and her daughter, Jonita White, said they were unaware of the RID process, and that without a driver’s license and limited transportation, it's difficult for Hicks to participate in state and federal elections.

"My voice does not count.” Hicks told ABC News. ”It's very important. People have died just to vote, people have stood in line, in the rain, women fought to vote and now I can't vote."

Like many Black elders in the South, Hicks was born at a time when records weren't kept. She never had a birth certificate. Her daughter has helped her apply for one. The pair even went to court over the issue, and said a judge ruled in their favor. Still, they said the Office of Vital Statistics rejected Hicks because she filled out an outdated form, according to White.”
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/black-woman-rural-texas-unable-obtain-id-needed/story?id=80395815

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“In Pennsylvania, where a strict photo ID law was passed but had not been implemented, a woman joined the American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit against the state for that very reason. Joyce Block, according to the ACLU of Pennsylvania’s website, had never driven and didn’t have a state-issued ID, but when she went to get an ID in 2012 she was told she couldn’t because her birth certificate and her Social Security card were in her maiden name. The only official document she had with her married name on it was her ketubah, the marriage certificate she had received during her traditional Jewish wedding ceremony. Because it was written in Hebrew, a DMV official couldn’t verify it.”

“A full 34% of women don’t have documents proving citizenship with their current name on it,” Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center told TIME. “Why do we have such strict limitations on what kinds of documents people can have when they need to vote?”
https://swampland.time.com/2013/10/24/what-voter-id-laws-really-mean-for-women-voters-in-texas/

Anonymous wrote:These examples of having trouble getting an ID are not compelling.

Yes, you have to have proper documentation and yes it can be a pain in the butt to get it straight. But when something is important enough to you, you will get it done.

I had a similar issue as one of the examples. My maiden name was swapped for my middle name on my drivers license. But my original name was on my passport. I could not pass the requirements to get an ID at my new place of work. No other place in the 20 years I’d been married cared. Not for global entry, not for previous employment that did background checks, nothing. But now I was not going to be issued this work ID, thus would not remain employed, if I could not get it fixed.

It took effort. But it was important enough to get it all straightened out.

Paperwork is a b$&ch but it’s also pretty fundamental to having a society that functions optimally.

Goody for you? Not everyone has the time, effort, money, and vehicle it probably took you to get through all of that and none of these people needed to do it for anything but voting. Marsha Blackburn today was wondering how anyone buys milk without an ID - I don’t know what effed up grocery stores she’s shopping at, but these dozens of examples are people who led perfectly functional lives for decades without needing to jump through these hoops. And for NO REASON because in person voter fraud is virtually nonexistent.

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“By the time I met Patricia White at a voter education forum in New Smyrna Beach, she had been trying to obtain a state ID for 10 months. Since moving to Florida from Pennsylvania, she had been repeatedly turned away from the DMV. Like many married woman, Patricia’s birth certificate reflects her maiden name rather than her current legal name. The DMV kept giving Patricia inconsistent and confusing information about the documentation requirements before it became clear that without certified copies of marriage certificates from both of her marriages, she couldn’t obtain a Florida state ID.

It seemed as if the only way to complete her ID application would be to fly back to Pennsylvania and chase down her documentation in person. However, Patricia had been recently diagnosed with stage 3 cancer and was scheduled to start chemotherapy in a matter of weeks. She did not have the money, strength, or time to make a trip to Philadelphia to request her marriage certificates in person.”
https://www.voteriders.org/voter-id-story-patricia-in-florida/

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So you can use a handgun license, but you can’t use a student ID, and honestly most of the other supporting documents aren’t likely to be something a college student has, either. The GOP’s whole raison d’etre is to keep the wrong people from voting.

Go look at what the supporting documents are for a gun license and a student ID. Big difference. If a college student is paying out of state tuition, they should be voting in the home state.

How? They are in another state on Election Day?

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“Sammie Louise Bates moved to Texas from Illinois in 2011. She wanted to vote last year, but all she had was an Illinois identification card, and under Texas’s strict voter ID law, that wasn’t acceptable. To get a Texas ID, Bates needed a birth certificate from her native Mississippi, which cost $42. That was money that Bates, whose income is around $321 a month, didn’t have.

"I had to put $42 where it would do the most good," Bates, who is African-American, testified Tuesday, the first day of the trial over Texas’s ID law. "We couldn't eat the birth certificate.”
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-voter-id-trial-witnesses-describe-burden-getting-id-msna403661

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“If Janice Franklin has an extra $10 to spare, she’s not thinking about using it to buy a photo identification so she can vote.

“If I get $10 in my hand, I’m going to get a prescription or food because I probably had to hold off to pay the light bill,” she said.

Franklin is in her 60s; she has a disability, can’t work and lives in Charlotte with her two sons. She doesn’t drive and she doesn’t have reliable transportation.

She’s told her story before – her vote wasn’t counted in the 2016 primary because of voter ID restrictions in North Carolina. She had filled out two forms and used her social security card at the time, but it wasn’t enough.

But she’s still angry, and with a constitutional amendment looming that could require photo IDs to vote all over again, she wants North Carolinians to know that getting one isn’t as easy as it may seem.

“It’s not that we can’t do it,” Franklin said of getting an ID. “It’s that we ain’t going to do it when $10 is all we got.”

Franklin finally has her ID, but it took her three months to save up for it and the bus fare it took to go get it. She’s since voted in more elections, but the experience of voting and then finding out that vote didn’t count has tainted her opinion of the system.”
https://ncpolicywatch.com/2018/10/11/north-carolinians-highlight-struggles-getting-photo-ids-ahead-of-amendment-vote/

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“Rosanell Eaton is one of those who could have difficulties under the new voter-ID rules. She does have a birth certificate, a driver’s license and a voter registration card, but the names on each of them conflict. She is variously Rosa Nell Johnson, Rosa Johnson Eaton or Rosanell Eaton. It is not clear whether the inconsistency would trip her up at the polling station under the new legislation, which states that a driver’s license counts as valid identification. But given the possibility of confusion over her name, combined with her own personal history of Jim Crow, she is anxious, as she put it to her daughter, that “all of this is coming back around”.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/north-carolina-voter-id-law-jim-crow-african-american

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

Krucki first traveled to the DMV in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, in June 2013 with her daughter. “My mother does not have an unexpired passport, Wisconsin-issued photo ID, or any other kind of photo acceptable for voting,” her daughter, Sharon Erickson, said in a court declaration filed by the ACLU. Krucki lived in Illinois most of her life, before moving to Wisconsin five years ago, and no longer drives. She brought her Illinois photo ID, a bank statement and an insurance statement to the DMV. But DMV workers said she needed a birth certificate to get a Wisconsin ID for voting.

The problem was that Krucki was born on a farm and didn’t know where her birth certificate was. Erickson called the Wisconsin Department of Health Services and paid $20 for her birth certificate. However, her Polish last name, “Zaszczurynski,” was spelled “Zaszcronynska” instead.

She brought the birth certificate with her on a second trip to the DMV, but the DMV once again would not issue her a voter ID because the birth certificate didn’t match her current last name, Krucki, which she adopted after getting married. They said she’d have to obtain her marriage certificate from Illinois. Erickson paid $15 to get the marriage certificate from Cook County, Illinois, but it listed her maiden name as “Bandys” because Krucki had adopted that name, rather than the Polish name Zaszczurynski, after moving in with her stepsister in her 20s.

Krucki made a third trip to the DMV, but could still not get a voter ID because the maiden name on her Illinois marriage certificate did not match the name on her Wisconsin birth certificate. They said she’d have to change the name on her Illinois marriage certificate. “She almost went over the counter at the DMV, she was so mad,” her daughter told me.

Erickson called the courthouse in Cook County and they said it would cost between $150–300 to amend her mother’s Illinois marriage certificate. A clerk in Eau Claire said there was a “chance” a Wisconsin judge would amend her mother’s documents if they paid $300 in court fees. At that point, Erickson gave up trying to get her mother a Wisconsin voter ID.

The April 5, 2016, presidential primary in Wisconsin was the first election in her life in which Krucki was unable to vote.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-90-year-old-woman-whos-voted-since-1948-was-disenfranchised-by-wisconsins-voter-id-law/tnamp/

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“ Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year-old black woman who lives in Chattanooga,Tennessee. She was recently denied a voter identification card because she didn’t have her marriage certificate available – the same card that’s required by the state to vote. This coming election may be the first one she misses in 50 years.

Cooper slipped a rent receipt, a copy of her lease, her voter registration card and her birth certificate into a Manila envelope. Typewritten on the birth certificate was her maiden name, Dorothy Alexander.

“But I didn’t have my marriage certificate,” Cooper said Tuesday afternoon, and that was the reason the clerk said she was denied a free voter ID at the Cherokee Boulevard Driver Service Center.”
https://www.colorlines.com/articles/96-year-old-black-woman-denied-right-vote-tennessee

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“Just how tough are new voter identification requirements in Texas? Apparently tough enough that former U.S. House speaker Jim Wright reportedly was denied a voter ID card on Saturday.

"Nobody was ugly to us, but they insisted that they wouldn't give me an ID," Wright, a Democrat who resigned from Congress in 1989, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram in a story about his experience at a Texas Department of Public Safety office.

The 90-year-old told the newspaper he realized last week that he didn't have a valid ID to vote in Tuesday's elections. He said he was refused a voter ID card because his driver's license expired in 2010 and his faculty identification from Texas Christian University in Fort Worth, where he teaches, doesn't meet requirements under the state law enacted in 2011.”
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3422047