Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 17:15     Subject: Re:Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
I've had life threatening complications with one of my three pregnancies (I'm pregnant with my third right now - only 5.5 weeks left and counting down the days!) and I would not outsource unless a doctor told me "you'll die or the baby will die if you try to carry them" but then I wouldn't have three. I would probably either stop at one or two. For people who physically can't carry a child I think that surrogacy is an amazing option. For people who don't want stretch marks or the inconvenience, I think it shouldn't be an option.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 12:20     Subject: Re:Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:There are people out there who really love being pregnant and don’t find it all physically painful or unpleasant. Generally they are between the ages of 20 and 30.


This reminds me of the defense of US slavery. "Some slaves are like members of the family!"
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 11:10     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:I've known a couple of women who used surrogates b/c cancer left them unable to carry their own baby or the risk was too high (the estrogen created by pregnancy can cause some cancers to reappear)-- that seemed to work out well and the surrogates, though highly compensated, felt really good about what they were doing and there was an element of altruism there that would be absent in your case. I can't explain it well, but that element makes a difference and could impact what kind of surrogate you get (i.e., someone in it entirely for the money who doesn't care why you want a surrogate).


Maybe the surrogate has an unknown risk and could die from the pregnancy. So what if a woman cannot have a child? This doesn't make it moral to ask or pay another woman to risk her life.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 09:21     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
I've known a couple of women who used surrogates b/c cancer left them unable to carry their own baby or the risk was too high (the estrogen created by pregnancy can cause some cancers to reappear)-- that seemed to work out well and the surrogates, though highly compensated, felt really good about what they were doing and there was an element of altruism there that would be absent in your case. I can't explain it well, but that element makes a difference and could impact what kind of surrogate you get (i.e., someone in it entirely for the money who doesn't care why you want a surrogate).
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 09:02     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ever since the Industrial Revolution mankind has been moving away from the use of physical labor and moving towards the use of human intelligence for income. The more we make advances in education, the less people have to rely on hazardous careers like mining or prostitution or surrogacy.


And the unfortunate result of that is that it is very difficult to make a good living in 2023 without resorting to mining, prostitution or surrogacy if you’re not relatively wealthy, intelligent and highly-educated.


Yes, these are the only three options. Never mind the variety of blue collar jobs that enable many people throughout this country to live good lives and provide for their families.

How the heck do you define intelligence?
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2023 13:51     Subject: Re:Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
I don't have an opinion on this for other people, but I personally would not be able to participate on either side. If I hired a surrogate, I'd feel too guilty about the risk undertaken for the surrogate for a baby that she has no legal claim to. But as a surrogate, I'd feel guilt about depriving the baby of their gestational mother for financial gain. Not saying those things are "wrong", just that having gone through pregnancy and childbirth, I know I would feel too conflicted to do it that way.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2023 13:47     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:Disgusting and unethical. We should ban surrogacy and egg “donation” like every other civilized country in the world.


The reasons why this exploitative practice should be banished.

https://mirahmirah.medium.com/why-is-surrogacy-illegal-in-most-of-the-world-ethics-and-risks-7c904c133301
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 17:47     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:Disgusting and unethical. We should ban surrogacy and egg “donation” like every other civilized country in the world.


Agreed. Look at the other countries that permit surrogacy and you’ll see that the US is in bad company.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 17:27     Subject: Re:Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:There are people out there who really love being pregnant and don’t find it all physically painful or unpleasant. Generally they are between the ages of 20 and 30.


Good for them to have their own babies but not for surrogacy for vain women. We already know that separating a newborn from maternal mother is traumatic for both. For all we know the trauma carries on for life.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 14:04     Subject: Re:Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
There are people out there who really love being pregnant and don’t find it all physically painful or unpleasant. Generally they are between the ages of 20 and 30.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 14:03     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:Disgusting and unethical. We should ban surrogacy and egg “donation” like every other civilized country in the world.


No thanks.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 13:31     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Disgusting and unethical. We should ban surrogacy and egg “donation” like every other civilized country in the world.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 12:39     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:Ever since the Industrial Revolution mankind has been moving away from the use of physical labor and moving towards the use of human intelligence for income. The more we make advances in education, the less people have to rely on hazardous careers like mining or prostitution or surrogacy.


And the unfortunate result of that is that it is very difficult to make a good living in 2023 without resorting to mining, prostitution or surrogacy if you’re not relatively wealthy, intelligent and highly-educated.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 12:30     Subject: Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Ever since the Industrial Revolution mankind has been moving away from the use of physical labor and moving towards the use of human intelligence for income. The more we make advances in education, the less people have to rely on hazardous careers like mining or prostitution or surrogacy.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2023 11:47     Subject: Re:Is it ethical to outsource pregnancy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it exploitative to pay people high hazard pay (often $200k+) to perform mining, underwater welding, oil drilling and high-rise construction work?


Apples and cement! Absolutely no comparison.


Of course it’s a comparison.