Anonymous wrote:I am married but fantasize about freedom and divorce. I have two kids and love them to pièces. They are why I am still here. I have my own money, retirement and kids are set with their college funds, all thanks to me. Husband is not of much use and expected me to be taken care of 24/7. I have stopped this nonsense. I sleep in my own bed. I do my thing with my girlfriends.
Frankly I don’t understand why a financially independent woman would ever want to get married. There’s nothing in it for her.
I caved to family pressure (I’m an immigrant from a conservative family). They wanted me married and I did. I’m now miserable but trying to keep a smile on my face. Not sure how long I’ll be able to keep up with the pretense.

Why don't you divorce once the kids are independent. Start planning it now, that always helps. My friend rented a big storage to start putting stuff inside for another place. Many women have to stay for finances or retirement because that's a big hit in divorce. That's the only thing I can think of that's keeping you. Sucks I know, but many women in that situation. And yes many have good jobs, but divorce is a big change. Especially if you're over 40.

Anonymous wrote:I am married but fantasize about freedom and divorce. I have two kids and love them to pièces. They are why I am still here. I have my own money, retirement and kids are set with their college funds, all thanks to me. Husband is not of much use and expected me to be taken care of 24/7. I have stopped this nonsense. I sleep in my own bed. I do my thing with my girlfriends.
Frankly I don’t understand why a financially independent woman would ever want to get married. There’s nothing in it for her.
I caved to family pressure (I’m an immigrant from a conservative family). They wanted me married and I did. I’m now miserable but trying to keep a smile on my face. Not sure how long I’ll be able to keep up with the pretense.

Sounds like once you got what you wanted -- marriage to get your family off your back and kids -- you just opted out of the marriage. Sounds pretty underhanded and shallow.

This guy is hilarious.
Woman here. I mow several acres a week, and maintain the mower myself. It is hot and loud, which is why I wear a hat, drink cold water and wear earphones. I also do laundry (!), take the kids around, cook, run the house and work. My husband does a ton of stuff, and we’re happily married, so this is definitely off topic.

But, fella, you need to up your game if you think mowing 1/3 an acre and tossing a few loads of laundry in is some kind of amazing contribution to the home. And then explaining how hard and dangerous it is, so you outsourced it to some Guatemalans. And then sighing how ladies don’t understand about all the work for maintaining the mower (which BROKE! 😂) Like you have a rocket ship or something. Your weekend is shot if you have to add oil, sharpen a blade or replace a spark plug? You don’t like to do it, fine. But on the very long list of things adults need to do, it is definitely minimal. Buck up.

OMG, lady, YOU are hilarious (not being facetious)!

I am also married, but if both our spouses die, I want to move in with you like on the Golden Girls! (I don't mow but I'm the handyman -- handylady? -- in my household.)

Oops. Meant to say husband expected me to take care of him 24/7!

I am married but fantasize about freedom and divorce. I have two kids and love them to pièces. They are why I am still here. I have my own money, retirement and kids are set with their college funds, all thanks to me. Husband is not of much use and expected me to be taken care of 24/7. I have stopped this nonsense. I sleep in my own bed. I do my thing with my girlfriends.
Frankly I don’t understand why a financially independent woman would ever want to get married. There’s nothing in it for her.
I caved to family pressure (I’m an immigrant from a conservative family). They wanted me married and I did. I’m now miserable but trying to keep a smile on my face. Not sure how long I’ll be able to keep up with the pretense.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still laughing at the guy in Great Falls who said that mowing his 1/3 of an acre is dangerous. HAHA! What a wuss.

35,000 people are injured each year mowing their lawn (and close to 100 are killed each year). It's one of the most dangerous activities you can undertake at home. A friend of mine did die while mowing on a hot day. I don't let my kids operate a mower.

My dad had a horrible lawn mowing accident. Multiple surgeries. He was in his 50s. My brother told him to wait to do it. He didn't. He flipped over it going down a hill. It is more dangerous than people think.

My 16-year old has a lawn mowing 'business' from age 12-15. He mowed 5 lawns in our neighborhood. Customers were hard to find since almost every single house uses a lawn/landscaping service.

The yards in our neighborhood our postage size stamp.

It's character building for kids. They should all have to mow the lawn at some point. My siblings and I did (even my sister and I; not just my brother).

My parents (who had a much larger lawn) still mow it. My mom is doing it in her mid 70s--and would never consider outsourcing it

No kidding. My father, who is in his 80s, still mows his lawn, even though he could easily outsource it. He sees it as a way to keep active. This guy who wants to be a martyr for mowing his lawn in Great Falls, and these people catastrophizing about lawn mowing injuries, are embarrassing.

They are also innumerate. There are a HUNDRED TIMES as many people injured per year in car accidents as lawn mowing. Yet the Great Falls guy isn't suggesting that women get special recognition for driving kids to school or going to the store. Hilarious.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be required reading for ANYONE contemplating marriage.
Men seem to feel entitled to maybe mow the lawn on Saturday morning then spend the rest of the weekend on the couch with a beer watching football while the wife takes care of the kids, the laundry, the meals, shopping, dishes.... The unfairness breeds resentment and that is poison to a relationship.

Man here. I'd rather do the laundry for a year, rather than mow the lawn once (I have 1/3 of an acre). This is an example of women being out of touch with reality. Mowing is hot, dirty, loud, and dangerous. And it's not just the mowing, it's the maintenance and repair of the mower.

I've been doing laundry as a 50-50 dad for nearly a decade. It's about the easiest household chore. Yes, I fold all the laundry, and iron a few things.

Single woman who is in touch enough with reality to promise you this:

I’d rather pay $25 to get the terribly “hot dirty dangerous” job of moving my measly 1/3 acre- for all of eternity- rather than listen to this mansplain nonsense. Plus, they’re younger and hotter and now shirtless all summer.

The beauty of divorce is not having to pay you on the back and say “great job warrior!!” For something that took 2 seconds and barely any cost to outsource.

Your reply shows how out of touch with reality you are. Three years ago my mower was broken so I hired a company to mow. It was $60 then, and it's probably $90 now. The Guatemalans who did the job were 5'4" and wore long sleeves.

Find a company that will mow my lawn for $25 in Great Falls and I will outsource.

This guy is hilarious.
Woman here. I mow several acres a week, and maintain the mower myself. It is hot and loud, which is why I wear a hat, drink cold water and wear earphones. I also do laundry (!), take the kids around, cook, run the house and work. My husband does a ton of stuff, and we’re happily married, so this is definitely off topic.

But, fella, you need to up your game if you think mowing 1/3 an acre and tossing a few loads of laundry in is some kind of amazing contribution to the home. And then explaining how hard and dangerous it is, so you outsourced it to some Guatemalans. And then sighing how ladies don’t understand about all the work for maintaining the mower (which BROKE! 😂) Like you have a rocket ship or something. Your weekend is shot if you have to add oil, sharpen a blade or replace a spark plug? You don’t like to do it, fine. But on the very long list of things adults need to do, it is definitely minimal. Buck up.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be required reading for ANYONE contemplating marriage.
Men seem to feel entitled to maybe mow the lawn on Saturday morning then spend the rest of the weekend on the couch with a beer watching football while the wife takes care of the kids, the laundry, the meals, shopping, dishes.... The unfairness breeds resentment and that is poison to a relationship.

Man here. I'd rather do the laundry for a year, rather than mow the lawn once (I have 1/3 of an acre). This is an example of women being out of touch with reality. Mowing is hot, dirty, loud, and dangerous. And it's not just the mowing, it's the maintenance and repair of the mower.

I've been doing laundry as a 50-50 dad for nearly a decade. It's about the easiest household chore. Yes, I fold all the laundry, and iron a few things.

Single woman who is in touch enough with reality to promise you this:

I’d rather pay $25 to get the terribly “hot dirty dangerous” job of moving my measly 1/3 acre- for all of eternity- rather than listen to this mansplain nonsense. Plus, they’re younger and hotter and now shirtless all summer.

The beauty of divorce is not having to pay you on the back and say “great job warrior!!” For something that took 2 seconds and barely any cost to outsource.

Your reply shows how out of touch with reality you are. Three years ago my mower was broken so I hired a company to mow. It was $60 then, and it's probably $90 now. The Guatemalans who did the job were 5'4" and wore long sleeves.

Find a company that will mow my lawn for $25 in Great Falls and I will outsource.

I live in a different state, closer to Mexico. My labor is cheaper. That's what I pay for a mow weekly. Even if it was $60, or $90, it would be worth it to not listed to you complain and tell me your tiny violin story about short foreign mowers and OH! The terrible heat. So hot, so hard............. so don't care.

This is why women with money intimidate many men. Like whiney pants man here. I must be out of touch because I can replace all his efforts with one call on the phone, and no noticeable change to my bank account.

Go fold some laundry.

When I read what you wrote I'm picturing a fat woman who has unnaturally-colored hair, and lots of cats.

I love that! I'm fit, with dogs, but thank you for playing.

I swear this site makes me want to upload W2's and photos to Jeff, its so old being called a liar about money, and whatever shade of ugly men like to call women who aren't cowtowing to them.

Ha sometimes I think this too. Of course I know it plays into the idea that you can’t have valid opinions if you’re unattractive and have cats, but still. It’s like men think that women only disagree with them just because they’re bitter than men don’t want to sleep with them. Ha no. That’s you projecting, sir.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still laughing at the guy in Great Falls who said that mowing his 1/3 of an acre is dangerous. HAHA! What a wuss.

35,000 people are injured each year mowing their lawn (and close to 100 are killed each year). It's one of the most dangerous activities you can undertake at home. A friend of mine did die while mowing on a hot day. I don't let my kids operate a mower.

My dad had a horrible lawn mowing accident. Multiple surgeries. He was in his 50s. My brother told him to wait to do it. He didn't. He flipped over it going down a hill. It is more dangerous than people think.

My 16-year old has a lawn mowing 'business' from age 12-15. He mowed 5 lawns in our neighborhood. Customers were hard to find since almost every single house uses a lawn/landscaping service.

The yards in our neighborhood our postage size stamp.

It's character building for kids. They should all have to mow the lawn at some point. My siblings and I did (even my sister and I; not just my brother).

My parents (who had a much larger lawn) still mow it. My mom is doing it in her mid 70s--and would never consider outsourcing it

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still laughing at the guy in Great Falls who said that mowing his 1/3 of an acre is dangerous. HAHA! What a wuss.

35,000 people are injured each year mowing their lawn (and close to 100 are killed each year). It's one of the most dangerous activities you can undertake at home. A friend of mine did die while mowing on a hot day. I don't let my kids operate a mower.

Those people are probably using a push mower and having heart attacks. It is almost impossible to injure yourself driving a ride on mower.

Actually accidents can happen with riding lawn mowers on steep inclines. You need to teach your child all aspects of safe operating procedures. Our 13yr son has been mowing our lawn with a zero turn mower for 5+ years with no issues. I make sure to be outside with him when he mows.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so depressing.

I actually find it reassuring! I see myself in a lot of these responses.

I’m married and I find it reassuring too. It makes me feel so grateful for my husband and it makes me less worried about would happen if, heaven forbid, the relationship went south or he passed away. Sounds like being older and single is a great way to go.

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Anonymous wrote:The responses here are a great reminder why marriage is a bad deal for BOTH sexes when you aren't raising kids together.

As a man, I totally agree that living together is what breeds resentment. Who is doing what chores, who isn't living up to whose expectation of cleanliness, privacy, etc.

Right now, I take my girlfriend out on date nights, go on great vacations, have amazing sex and intimacy and we go back to our own places. Perfect. If we lived together, it would kill the mystery and longing. No thanks.

I’ma woman, and what you described currently sounds ideal, for both parties.

Basically a sham. He's getting sex and she would be better off getting a pet for companionship. Enjoying her kids, friends, etc.

I’m/ if we are talking single, consensual sex, IM “getting sex” too.

It’s only married sad that’s the chore you seem to be talking about.

I think she wants you to have sex with your dog

I guess that’s one way to make men seem more attractive……

I'm guessing they wonder why that poster is lowering herself. I believe they said "pet" for companionship, some nasty posters.

The poster said that having a loving intimate relationship outside of marriage is a sham. That you are better off with a dog. Why would you even try to defend that.

The dog comment was obviously a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:The responses here are a great reminder why marriage is a bad deal for BOTH sexes when you aren't raising kids together.

As a man, I totally agree that living together is what breeds resentment. Who is doing what chores, who isn't living up to whose expectation of cleanliness, privacy, etc.

Right now, I take my girlfriend out on date nights, go on great vacations, have amazing sex and intimacy and we go back to our own places. Perfect. If we lived together, it would kill the mystery and longing. No thanks.

I’ma woman, and what you described currently sounds ideal, for both parties.

Basically a sham. He's getting sex and she would be better off getting a pet for companionship. Enjoying her kids, friends, etc.

I’m/ if we are talking single, consensual sex, IM “getting sex” too.

It’s only married sad that’s the chore you seem to be talking about.

I think she wants you to have sex with your dog

I guess that’s one way to make men seem more attractive……

I'm guessing they wonder why that poster is lowering herself. I believe they said "pet" for companionship, some nasty posters.

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Anonymous wrote:53, recently separated, hopefully divorced within the year. Will never remarry because I just don't see the need for it. Would love a long term partner who lives separately and we go on trips together and have great sex. No commitments. No pressure.

Being married to a depressed person has sucked the entire life out of me.

Wow, could have written exactly this. My soon to be ex wife is a wonderful person but so depressed and depressing and I am going to be out. I just want some carefree time with another person, great trips, fun, sex and all that life has to offer. Will never, ever marry again and so happy to see other like minded women.

Hmm.

Yep! I know a few middle aged men that also divorced. It wasn't what they thought. Most of the women wanted a retirement or had some ulterior motive. I guess you could say it was a new set of problems. Especially at that age. Now that same relative got covid from a hook up. I think he will have life long problems by the sound of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still laughing at the guy in Great Falls who said that mowing his 1/3 of an acre is dangerous. HAHA! What a wuss.

35,000 people are injured each year mowing their lawn (and close to 100 are killed each year). It's one of the most dangerous activities you can undertake at home. A friend of mine did die while mowing on a hot day. I don't let my kids operate a mower.

Those people are probably using a push mower and having heart attacks. It is almost impossible to injure yourself driving a ride on mower.