Anonymous
10/02/2021 11:26
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.
Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.
The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.
Anonymous
10/02/2021 10:57
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.
Correction:
It is not melodrama. It is math. How do you get the demographics you want and reduce Asians without having having a transparent race quota? Lower the bar for scores. Get more students in the lottery pool. Logic being that with a lower bar you can get more non-Asian kids. And now with a broader pool do a lottery. Sprinkle in some other factors just in case so that you can put your finger on the scale in case the lower bar doesn't work. Voila! You have your desired reduction/purge of Asian kids with a sneaky defacto quota incorporated. Why is the process so difficult to understand?
Now of course second order effects are 1. Lottery means unpredictability and so parents won't really consider the magnets as something you can count on. So some families will move to better school districts. 2. The quality of the magnet class goes down and so it is not something people will aspire for and that's a downward spiral. Essentially in a few years the magnets will be just above average programs in large schools which benefited from having the magnets. 3. Basic problems with MCPS schools with groups that have been lagging will be glossed over by showing a few kids in magnet programs. Overall, loss loss for the entire community. A few progressive activities who have no kids or no kids eligible for Montgomery county magnets will declare victory and move on to dismantle some other place - road to hell was paved with good intentions.
Anonymous
10/02/2021 10:53
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.
Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.
I think MCPS should start doing lotteries for IEPs and programs for SNs/LDs next since they are no longer in the business of serving students academic needs.
Anonymous
10/02/2021 10:51
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.
It is not melodrama. It is math. How do you get the demographics you want and reduce Asians without having having a transparent race quota? Lower the bar for scores. Get more students in the lottery pool. Logic being that with a lower bar you can get more non-Asian kids. And now with a broader pool do a lottery. Sprinkle in some other factors just in case so that you can put your finger on the scale in case the lower bar doesn't work. Voila! You have your desired reduction/purge of Asian kids with a sneaky defacto quota incorporated. Why is the process so difficult to understand?
Now of course second order effects are 1. Lottery means unpredictability and so parents won't really consider the magnets as something you can count on. So some families will move to better school districts. 2. The quality of the magnet class goes up and so it is not something people will aspire for and that's a downward spiral. Essentially in a few years the magnets will be just above average programs in large schools which benefited from having the magnets. 3. Basic problems with MCPS schools with groups that have been lagging will be glossed over by showing a few kids in magnet problems. Overall, loss loss for the entire community. A few progressive activities who have no kids or kids in Montgomery county will declare victory and move on to some other place - road to hell was paved with good intentions.
Anonymous
10/02/2021 09:50
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.
Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.
Anonymous
10/02/2021 08:58
Subject: Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
I don’t think it’s sneaky. MCPS was completely clear about manipulating the admissions process to get the results they wanted, as the shift in magnet ms demographics demonstrates. Of course is it a true lottery is the question? Doubtful, otherwise they’d tell us how it works exactly.
Anonymous
10/02/2021 08:53
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Sorry, my mistake. Thread seemed to have gone over to hating MCPS because they won't say right now what test they will use. But here's the thing - The gifted child advocacy groups all say use multiple measures. They don't say mean " multiple tests. " MAP scores are profoundly influenced by outside exposure to material beyond grade level. COGAT results are "invalid" if you take the test to close to your prior taking of the test. SAT lets you take the test multiple times and just use your highest section score from each of several attempts. Testing is a game, not a valid determiner of the difference between 92% intelligence and 99th %. The schools are attempting to cope by using multiple measures and lotteries. That's where we are. Some are happy, others are unhappy, especially some of the people who have DCs with 99% scores as that seems to them to prove what they believe about deserving DC.
For full accuracy: that's where the thread started. That's where all such threads start.
This thread would have never started if the Magnet wasn't a "lottery". In fact, no one ever challenged MCPS on the technical mechanism the "lottery" uses, we're just assuming that it's honest and fair. Given that the MCPS CO has a terrible track record of transparency and honesty.
It's not 'hate' more so.. distrust.
I read a complaint where MCPS was caught grade tampering and didn't correct them when caught. MCPS even admitted doing it, saying it wasn't worth their trouble or time to correct it.
If a child did that, that would be grounds for serious disciplinary action
Now you understand why no one trusts the school system at all. MCPS is dirty and corrupt. Those involved need to be fired to send the message that things are changing, pure and simple.
Anonymous
10/02/2021 08:51
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 16:43
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Democracy it sure is. Tyranny of the majority.
Democrazy I mean
Anonymous
10/01/2021 16:40
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Democracy it sure is. Tyranny of the majority.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 16:01
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
I think over time we will see a larger and larger migration of Asians to Howard County, which will be a major loss for this county.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 14:25
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 08:02
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.
OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."
So....what is it?
It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 08:00
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
OP's instinct was right.
Do we have any legal recourse?
About what?
Nothing since what they did was completely well within their rights. They conducted a lottery. Sure, I'm not crazy about it but it will clearly show that many kids with much lower scores are capable of doing magnet work and makes the case that this curriculum should be more widely available.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 07:44
Subject: Re:Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
OP's instinct was right.
Do we have any legal recourse?
About what?