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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

What makes you think he wouldn't run as a Republican and win in West Virginia? He's already the only Democrat who can get re-elected. Or he could just go back to being their Governor again.

If he switches, he will get primaried by a more conservative Republican. When he’s facing primary voters who slew more conservative than average for West Virginia, he will lose.

He received more votes as a Democrat primary challenger than the top three Republican challengers combined. I think he could win either way.

That was over 10 years ago, when he also won the general election by 10 points. In 2018, he only won by 3 points so his popularity there is falling. Since then he voted two to impeach Trump, which really didn’t endear him to WVa Republicans.

Joe Manchin is going to face a very tough race in 2024 either way.

Assuming you're right, 36 months is a long way from now. He doesn't care. Its Senators like Mark Kelly who are under threat and the way the Republicans are making moves, the 2022 midterms are not going to be pretty for those dems ignoring the economy, the inflation, the high gas prices, and the high grocery prices a year before their own elections.

What’s nuts is that Democrats ARE the only party and leaders who are focused on these things. The GOP is just spewing propaganda, rhetoric, and working their base into a frenzy about CRT and transgendered bathrooms. The gap is the Dems need waaaaaay better marketing. They need to start treating politics like the business and media game that it is (thanks to the GOP).

I do not see the Democrats working on rising inflation.

I do not see the Democrats working on high gas prices.

I do not see the Democrats working on unaffordable grocery and food prices.

I do not see Democrats working on re-opening the economy and fixing the GDP.

I do not see the Democrats working on the supply chain crisis. The first alert I got from the Biden administration on that subject beyond a smirk and 'it'll last into 2022' was a notice on my phone at 10AM on November 3rd that they had launched a monitoring website. Odd that, the morning after a huge elections loss.

We're coming out of a pandemic. There's significant pent-up demand coupled with supply chain bottlenecks, etc. on a global scale as things return to normal. This will all moderate with time, and without the need for excessive intervention. A huge boon to the domestic economy, I think, would be meaningful infrastructure spending/legislation, but alas.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

What makes you think he wouldn't run as a Republican and win in West Virginia? He's already the only Democrat who can get re-elected. Or he could just go back to being their Governor again.

If he switches, he will get primaried by a more conservative Republican. When he’s facing primary voters who slew more conservative than average for West Virginia, he will lose.

He received more votes as a Democrat primary challenger than the top three Republican challengers combined. I think he could win either way.

That was over 10 years ago, when he also won the general election by 10 points. In 2018, he only won by 3 points so his popularity there is falling. Since then he voted two to impeach Trump, which really didn’t endear him to WVa Republicans.

Joe Manchin is going to face a very tough race in 2024 either way.

Assuming you're right, 36 months is a long way from now. He doesn't care. Its Senators like Mark Kelly who are under threat and the way the Republicans are making moves, the 2022 midterms are not going to be pretty for those dems ignoring the economy, the inflation, the high gas prices, and the high grocery prices a year before their own elections.

What’s nuts is that Democrats ARE the only party and leaders who are focused on these things. The GOP is just spewing propaganda, rhetoric, and working their base into a frenzy about CRT and transgendered bathrooms. The gap is the Dems need waaaaaay better marketing. They need to start treating politics like the business and media game that it is (thanks to the GOP).

I do not see the Democrats working on rising inflation.

I do not see the Democrats working on high gas prices.

I do not see the Democrats working on unaffordable grocery and food prices.

I do not see Democrats working on re-opening the economy and fixing the GDP.

I do not see the Democrats working on the supply chain crisis. The first alert I got from the Biden administration on that subject beyond a smirk and 'it'll last into 2022' was a notice on my phone at 10AM on November 3rd that they had launched a monitoring website. Odd that, the morning after a huge elections loss.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

What makes you think he wouldn't run as a Republican and win in West Virginia? He's already the only Democrat who can get re-elected. Or he could just go back to being their Governor again.

If he switches, he will get primaried by a more conservative Republican. When he’s facing primary voters who slew more conservative than average for West Virginia, he will lose.

He received more votes as a Democrat primary challenger than the top three Republican challengers combined. I think he could win either way.

That was over 10 years ago, when he also won the general election by 10 points. In 2018, he only won by 3 points so his popularity there is falling. Since then he voted two to impeach Trump, which really didn’t endear him to WVa Republicans.

Joe Manchin is going to face a very tough race in 2024 either way.

Assuming you're right, 36 months is a long way from now. He doesn't care. Its Senators like Mark Kelly who are under threat and the way the Republicans are making moves, the 2022 midterms are not going to be pretty for those dems ignoring the economy, the inflation, the high gas prices, and the high grocery prices a year before their own elections.

What’s nuts is that Democrats ARE the only party and leaders who are focused on these things. The GOP is just spewing propaganda, rhetoric, and working their base into a frenzy about CRT and transgendered bathrooms. The gap is the Dems need waaaaaay better marketing. They need to start treating politics like the business and media game that it is (thanks to the GOP).

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

What makes you think he wouldn't run as a Republican and win in West Virginia? He's already the only Democrat who can get re-elected. Or he could just go back to being their Governor again.

If he switches, he will get primaried by a more conservative Republican. When he’s facing primary voters who slew more conservative than average for West Virginia, he will lose.

He received more votes as a Democrat primary challenger than the top three Republican challengers combined. I think he could win either way.

That was over 10 years ago, when he also won the general election by 10 points. In 2018, he only won by 3 points so his popularity there is falling. Since then he voted two to impeach Trump, which really didn’t endear him to WVa Republicans.

Joe Manchin is going to face a very tough race in 2024 either way.

Assuming you're right, 36 months is a long way from now. He doesn't care. Its Senators like Mark Kelly who are under threat and the way the Republicans are making moves, the 2022 midterms are not going to be pretty for those dems ignoring the economy, the inflation, the high gas prices, and the high grocery prices a year before their own elections.

What’s nuts is that Democrats ARE the only party and leaders who are focused on these things. The GOP is just spewing propaganda, rhetoric, and working their base into a frenzy about CRT and transgendered bathrooms. The gap is the Dems need waaaaaay better marketing. They need to start treating politics like the business and media game that it is (thanks to the GOP).

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

What makes you think he wouldn't run as a Republican and win in West Virginia? He's already the only Democrat who can get re-elected. Or he could just go back to being their Governor again.

If he switches, he will get primaried by a more conservative Republican. When he’s facing primary voters who slew more conservative than average for West Virginia, he will lose.

He received more votes as a Democrat primary challenger than the top three Republican challengers combined. I think he could win either way.

That was over 10 years ago, when he also won the general election by 10 points. In 2018, he only won by 3 points so his popularity there is falling. Since then he voted two to impeach Trump, which really didn’t endear him to WVa Republicans.

Joe Manchin is going to face a very tough race in 2024 either way.

Assuming you're right, 36 months is a long way from now. He doesn't care. Its Senators like Mark Kelly who are under threat and the way the Republicans are making moves, the 2022 midterms are not going to be pretty for those dems ignoring the economy, the inflation, the high gas prices, and the high grocery prices a year before their own elections.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

I will amend this slightly. It’s also possible Manchin switches if Democrats have told him they’re done with him - no more committee seats, no more fundraising assistance, no more seat at the table when the real negotiations occur. If they are preparing to completely ice him out, he may see switching parties as his only possible lifeline, tenuous as it may be.

Did you see Sanders deliberately not showing up for a committee vote that Manchin needed today? Its closer than you think.

I can’t stand Sanders and his posturing, but good for him on this one. Manchin totally took for granted that Sanders would have his back even after he made it abundantly clear he will never go anything for Sanders. So Sanders put him in his place.

I bet your tone will change if it escalates and Manchin decides to switch parties. Then its 'How could Manchin abandon us and our judicial appointees at such a crucial time?'

Don't antagonize the man. Don't hold up his committee appointees. Don't put letters to his constituents in West Virginia papers.

You're just asking for trouble.

Nah, he won’t switch. Manchin is gunning for the Dem presidential nomination in 2024. 2018 was too close a race for him, his odds of getting re-elected to the senate in 2024 aren’t good. If he switches parties he instantly becomes a nobody and Manchin isn’t going to tolerate that (plus he still loses in 2024 running for senate as a Republican as pp explained). He’s trying to set himself up as the moderate Dem foil to the progressive wing for a presidential run, because otherwise he has no where else to go politically.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

I will amend this slightly. It’s also possible Manchin switches if Democrats have told him they’re done with him - no more committee seats, no more fundraising assistance, no more seat at the table when the real negotiations occur. If they are preparing to completely ice him out, he may see switching parties as his only possible lifeline, tenuous as it may be.

Did you see Sanders deliberately not showing up for a committee vote that Manchin needed today? Its closer than you think.

I can’t stand Sanders and his posturing, but good for him on this one. Manchin totally took for granted that Sanders would have his back even after he made it abundantly clear he will never go anything for Sanders. So Sanders put him in his place.

I bet your tone will change if it escalates and Manchin decides to switch parties. Then its 'How could Manchin abandon us and our judicial appointees at such a crucial time?'

Don't antagonize the man. Don't hold up his committee appointees. Don't put letters to his constituents in West Virginia papers.

You're just asking for trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

I will amend this slightly. It’s also possible Manchin switches if Democrats have told him they’re done with him - no more committee seats, no more fundraising assistance, no more seat at the table when the real negotiations occur. If they are preparing to completely ice him out, he may see switching parties as his only possible lifeline, tenuous as it may be.

Did you see Sanders deliberately not showing up for a committee vote that Manchin needed today? Its closer than you think.

I can’t stand Sanders and his posturing, but good for him on this one. Manchin totally took for granted that Sanders would have his back even after he made it abundantly clear he will never go anything for Sanders. So Sanders put him in his place.

I bet your tone will change if it escalates and Manchin decides to switch parties. Then its 'How could Manchin abandon us and our judicial appointees at such a crucial time?'

Don't antagonize the man. Don't hold up his committee appointees. Don't put letters to his constituents in West Virginia papers.

You're just asking for trouble.

You assume we trust Manchin to cooperate on judicial nominees. We don’t. He has shown himself to be nothing but a Republican pawn, and I don’t trust him in the slightest not to sell out his party on judicial nominees.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

I will amend this slightly. It’s also possible Manchin switches if Democrats have told him they’re done with him - no more committee seats, no more fundraising assistance, no more seat at the table when the real negotiations occur. If they are preparing to completely ice him out, he may see switching parties as his only possible lifeline, tenuous as it may be.

Did you see Sanders deliberately not showing up for a committee vote that Manchin needed today? Its closer than you think.

I can’t stand Sanders and his posturing, but good for him on this one. Manchin totally took for granted that Sanders would have his back even after he made it abundantly clear he will never go anything for Sanders. So Sanders put him in his place.

I bet your tone will change if it escalates and Manchin decides to switch parties. Then its 'How could Manchin abandon us and our judicial appointees at such a crucial time?'

Don't antagonize the man. Don't hold up his committee appointees. Don't put letters to his constituents in West Virginia papers.

You're just asking for trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

I will amend this slightly. It’s also possible Manchin switches if Democrats have told him they’re done with him - no more committee seats, no more fundraising assistance, no more seat at the table when the real negotiations occur. If they are preparing to completely ice him out, he may see switching parties as his only possible lifeline, tenuous as it may be.

Did you see Sanders deliberately not showing up for a committee vote that Manchin needed today? Its closer than you think.

I can’t stand Sanders and his posturing, but good for him on this one. Manchin totally took for granted that Sanders would have his back even after he made it abundantly clear he will never go anything for Sanders. So Sanders put him in his place.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

I will amend this slightly. It’s also possible Manchin switches if Democrats have told him they’re done with him - no more committee seats, no more fundraising assistance, no more seat at the table when the real negotiations occur. If they are preparing to completely ice him out, he may see switching parties as his only possible lifeline, tenuous as it may be.

Did you see Sanders deliberately not showing up for a committee vote that Manchin needed today? Its closer than you think.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

Why would the Republicans give him anything prestigious? He only has value as long as he is a Dem holding other Dems up, and forcing the other Dems to negotiate. He loses all of that the second he switches to Republican.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual the House is doing what the House does - fing up

That wasn’t the House fing up, that was strategic. They met Manchin’s demands and then rather than moving forward in good faith, Manchin made new demands. This was the House showing Manchin that he doesn’t rule their chamber.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think committee assignments are going to matter much when they lose the majority shortly. Manchin is thinking a year out now.

Wait until tonight. If Dems lose, the panic begins.

He is negotiating with republicans about chairmanships. Rumors say he is going to switch parties in December.

Ohhh this is getting good. I wonder what he’d take to NOT switch over? A dead BBB Act maybe?

The Dems would do anything to prevent this - their ability to bring anything to the table or even continue voting in judges is at stake.

The only way Manchin switches is if he’s planning to retire from politics entirely after 2024. It’s an empty threat.

What makes you think he wouldn't run as a Republican and win in West Virginia? He's already the only Democrat who can get re-elected. Or he could just go back to being their Governor again.

If he switches, he will get primaried by a more conservative Republican. When he’s facing primary voters who slew more conservative than average for West Virginia, he will lose.

He received more votes as a Democrat primary challenger than the top three Republican challengers combined. I think he could win either way.

That was over 10 years ago, when he also won the general election by 10 points. In 2018, he only won by 3 points so his popularity there is falling. Since then he voted two to impeach Trump, which really didn’t endear him to WVa Republicans.

Joe Manchin is going to face a very tough race in 2024 either way.