Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This war is great for everyone but Ukraine.
I hope it goes on for however long it takes Ukraine to win….and at this rate it is going to be a few more years.
Russia losing so many males is good for the world.
Not being subjugated / exterminated / colonized by Russia is good for Ukraine. All the more reason they need to fight.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.
It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.
So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.
Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.
Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!
Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.
Same old same old
When someone disagrees and you run out of counter arguments, just call them trolls, bots, or shills
I honestly do that as a compliment. No intelligent person would be stupid enough to support Russia in this, and you’re not supporting Russia’s side on this, right? You do agree they are the aggressor right? You can see that they invaded crimea and annexed that and are now trying to annex Ukraine and get more territory, access to the Black Sea and grain, right? They want their former glory back.
but as we have seen, America has been steadfast and helped to unite the EU. We’ve gotten NATO to start upping its funding and enlist new members. We’ve decimated Russia’s economy. We basically played this very well and used a small amount of our defensive budget for massive gains in soft and hard power globally. I think the Biden admin has done a masterful job with this. Even Mitch Mcconell agrees and republicans are in support.
You can see that, right? You’re not a Russian stooge, correct? You’re definitely not a propaganda bot. You’re an intelligent, sentient human who can understand things, right? I’m sure you are and so, from a macro perspective, can understand and agree with what I’m saying.
I don’t get it. Are you saying invading other countries is wrong? Annexing other people’s land is bad?
Is this, like, a new policy of some sort?
I’m saying it sounds like you are a Russian stooge. Read my post again before commenting. Go get your shine box.
I don’t care how I sound to you. I doubt it’s as stupid as an American pontificating on the evils of invading other countries. Only America is allowed to invade. Then it’s part of god’s plan.
DP... Oh come now. Don't be so ignorant and naive. A huge number of the United States' foreign interventions came directly as a result of prior meddling by the Soviet Union or Russia. For the last 70 years Russia ran all around the globe staging coups, installing dictators, arming, funding and propping up warlords and terrorist groups. And right now, Russia is the only country currently actively invading and attempting to colonize another country. In context of historic reality, for some pro-Russia stooge to presume to wag their finger at the US over foreign interventions is absolutely preposterous.
Anonymous wrote:This war is great for everyone but Ukraine.
I hope it goes on for however long it takes Ukraine to win….and at this rate it is going to be a few more years.
Russia losing so many males is good for the world.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.
It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.
So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.
Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.
Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!
Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.
Same old same old
When someone disagrees and you run out of counter arguments, just call them trolls, bots, or shills
I honestly do that as a compliment. No intelligent person would be stupid enough to support Russia in this, and you’re not supporting Russia’s side on this, right? You do agree they are the aggressor right? You can see that they invaded crimea and annexed that and are now trying to annex Ukraine and get more territory, access to the Black Sea and grain, right? They want their former glory back.
but as we have seen, America has been steadfast and helped to unite the EU. We’ve gotten NATO to start upping its funding and enlist new members. We’ve decimated Russia’s economy. We basically played this very well and used a small amount of our defensive budget for massive gains in soft and hard power globally. I think the Biden admin has done a masterful job with this. Even Mitch Mcconell agrees and republicans are in support.
You can see that, right? You’re not a Russian stooge, correct? You’re definitely not a propaganda bot. You’re an intelligent, sentient human who can understand things, right? I’m sure you are and so, from a macro perspective, can understand and agree with what I’m saying.
I don’t get it. Are you saying invading other countries is wrong? Annexing other people’s land is bad?
Is this, like, a new policy of some sort?
I’m saying it sounds like you are a Russian stooge. Read my post again before commenting. Go get your shine box.
I don’t care how I sound to you. I doubt it’s as stupid as an American pontificating on the evils of invading other countries. Only America is allowed to invade. Then it’s part of god’s plan.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.
It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.
So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.
Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.
Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!
Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.
Same old same old
When someone disagrees and you run out of counter arguments, just call them trolls, bots, or shills
I honestly do that as a compliment. No intelligent person would be stupid enough to support Russia in this, and you’re not supporting Russia’s side on this, right? You do agree they are the aggressor right? You can see that they invaded crimea and annexed that and are now trying to annex Ukraine and get more territory, access to the Black Sea and grain, right? They want their former glory back.
but as we have seen, America has been steadfast and helped to unite the EU. We’ve gotten NATO to start upping its funding and enlist new members. We’ve decimated Russia’s economy. We basically played this very well and used a small amount of our defensive budget for massive gains in soft and hard power globally. I think the Biden admin has done a masterful job with this. Even Mitch Mcconell agrees and republicans are in support.
You can see that, right? You’re not a Russian stooge, correct? You’re definitely not a propaganda bot. You’re an intelligent, sentient human who can understand things, right? I’m sure you are and so, from a macro perspective, can understand and agree with what I’m saying.
I don’t get it. Are you saying invading other countries is wrong? Annexing other people’s land is bad?
Is this, like, a new policy of some sort?
I’m saying it sounds like you are a Russian stooge. Read my post again before commenting. Go get your shine box.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/mylordbebo/status/1680850601779900416/mediaviewer
Even Eric Schmidt on Zakaria — pro Ukraine slant people - are waking up that the “counteroffensive” is a nothing burger
Unless we see something significant by September, prepare for another ten years of stalemate.
I can't see Putin withdrawing fully any time soon with NATO now essentially saying yes to Ukraine.
Nothingburger? Stalemate? You're looking in all the wrong places.
Look carefully at this video. It was taken outside of Soledar near the salt mine. There is only one place near Soledar with railroad tracks, which is parallel to T0513. At [2:40 / 6:17] one of the reporters was shot. It looks like the Russians in Bakhmut will be surrounded soon?
https://www.1tv.ru/news/2023-01-20/445679-s_emochnaya_gruppa_pervogo_kanala_i_drugie_zhurnalisty_popali_pod_obstrel_pod_soledarom
The bridge attack will also do much to bog down Russian logistics.
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I don't think Putin can last 10 years. I'm betting on two. It's not a military 'win' thing, it's a 'domestic turmoil' thing. There's just too much churn inside Russia.
The internal Russian witch hunt fallout from Wagner seems to be turning the Ministry of Foreign Affairs against the Ministry of Internal Affairs? The only reason why they'd do something like this is if Internal Affairs wasn't reporting who had foreign passports or residence permits.
"The Minister of Foreign Affairs published a draft order, according to which citizens of the Russian Federation who have received a residence permit or citizenship of another country will be required to notify Russian embassies and consulates within 60 days. Previously it was necessary to notify only the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and only if the Russian came to the Federation. Since 2014 there has been an article in the criminal code according to which untimely notification is punished by Correctional Labor."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI7iyttNSvo
I believe this information would be useful for only one reason - 'house-cleaning' - e.g. house-by-house sweeps of 'disloyal' Russian families. (e.g. "the family member of an Enemy of the State"). Hilter learned this tactic from Stalin's Cheka when he swept through the Jewish Polish slums in 1939; Röhm Purge, the “Night of the Long Knives." Hope I'm wrong.
The Russian propaganda is still in disarray. Russian's are not used to mixed messaging. It's like a whip and glove show.
Iron Beaver (Simonyan): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKkOkt4NDAQ
"Why couldn't you live with us? What was so bad about it?"
"Who mistreated you? Who bothered you? Here is a question - why do they hate us so much? Why? Unlike them, we did not wage any wars of conquest. We didn't subjugate anyone, we didn't threaten anyone!"
Iron Maiden (Skabeeva): https://twitter.com/VladaKnowlton/status/1665240710038327296
"The Ukrainian question has to be solved once and for all. What comes to mind right now, I will say it again, is to destroy every living thing in the Kharkiv region as a punishment and as a deterrent."
They are not required to notify of another citizenship! They MAY if they want to.
The requirement exists too but only if you arrive in Russia, stay there long enough and are a resident (which isn’t defined in this case but there are interpretations). Many people don’t report and don’t get in trouble, and the law was in existence for a few years now.
What I am saying is that you have no understanding of how the sausage is made in Russia.
There will be no internal turmoil.
Putin will die in 5-10 years and that’s the only hope. It will take about the same time as russia being economically incapacitated enough which is another hope.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.
It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.
So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.
Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.
Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!
Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.
Same old same old
When someone disagrees and you run out of counter arguments, just call them trolls, bots, or shills
Same old shoe still fits
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.
It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.
So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.
Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.
Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!
Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.
Same old same old
When someone disagrees and you run out of counter arguments, just call them trolls, bots, or shills
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.
It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.
So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.
Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.
Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!
Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.
Same old same old
When someone disagrees and you run out of counter arguments, just call them trolls, bots, or shills
I honestly do that as a compliment. No intelligent person would be stupid enough to support Russia in this, and you’re not supporting Russia’s side on this, right? You do agree they are the aggressor right? You can see that they invaded crimea and annexed that and are now trying to annex Ukraine and get more territory, access to the Black Sea and grain, right? They want their former glory back.
but as we have seen, America has been steadfast and helped to unite the EU. We’ve gotten NATO to start upping its funding and enlist new members. We’ve decimated Russia’s economy. We basically played this very well and used a small amount of our defensive budget for massive gains in soft and hard power globally. I think the Biden admin has done a masterful job with this. Even Mitch Mcconell agrees and republicans are in support.
You can see that, right? You’re not a Russian stooge, correct? You’re definitely not a propaganda bot. You’re an intelligent, sentient human who can understand things, right? I’m sure you are and so, from a macro perspective, can understand and agree with what I’m saying.
I don’t get it. Are you saying invading other countries is wrong? Annexing other people’s land is bad?
Is this, like, a new policy of some sort?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The strike killed both parents of a 14-year old girl who is currently in intensive care with a skull injury.
Which begs the question. Are there situations where terrorism (and that’s what the bridge attack essentially is) is justified?
I think Ukraine has been doing extremely well in the PR war so far. Yet this is something that might (or might not?) harm their image of an innocent victim of a brutal attack of a big bad wolf. Or is anything that hurts the bad guy justified?
This was not terrorism. Russia invaded Ukraine. The Kerch bridge is used by Russia to supply its occupying troops in Crimea. It is very much a legitimate military target. Have you said a word about the thousands of Ukrainian civilians that Russia has deliberately murdered?
I thought we already agreed Russia is a bad, bad guy.
I am more interested in Ukrainian tactic. I have a feeling the world will agree with you. It’s ok to kill civilians if they are from the bad bad country.
Nobody (or at least very few) is saying it's okay to kill civilians. I feel terrible for this girl. I feel terrible for all the kids that have been impacted by Putin's ego/idiocy. But this isn't terrorism. The bridge is a legitimate military target that Ukraine should continue to pound. Russia shouldn't be encouraging its citizens to vacation in a war zone.
My goal is not to argue or counter what you said; I am just interested in how this is painted to the world and perceived by an average US person. I know now.
DP. I saw reported yesterday that the Russian government was encouraging Russians to vacation in Crimea this summer, Putin thinking they would serve as a human shield/deterrent to Ukrainian attacks.
Reported by who?
I have relatives and friends in Russia and the general consensus that it’s pretty risky to vacation there now. There is no mass campaign to go there (like there is a campaign to sign up to serve in the army, flyers everywhere).
The ones who still go are either reckless or they don’t have money for any other vacation and heard they can stay there on the cheap.
We are at the Aegean coast in Turkey just now and Russians are at least 50% of all vacation business. Shopkeepers speak Russian, hotels and resorts are hiring Russian speakers to serve them…nothing has changed here. Tons of them at higher end hotels and villas too.
PSA: many of them are actually Ukrainians
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.
It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.
So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.
Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.
Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!
Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.
Same old same old
When someone disagrees and you run out of counter arguments, just call them trolls, bots, or shills
I honestly do that as a compliment. No intelligent person would be stupid enough to support Russia in this, and you’re not supporting Russia’s side on this, right? You do agree they are the aggressor right? You can see that they invaded crimea and annexed that and are now trying to annex Ukraine and get more territory, access to the Black Sea and grain, right? They want their former glory back.
but as we have seen, America has been steadfast and helped to unite the EU. We’ve gotten NATO to start upping its funding and enlist new members. We’ve decimated Russia’s economy. We basically played this very well and used a small amount of our defensive budget for massive gains in soft and hard power globally. I think the Biden admin has done a masterful job with this. Even Mitch Mcconell agrees and republicans are in support.
You can see that, right? You’re not a Russian stooge, correct? You’re definitely not a propaganda bot. You’re an intelligent, sentient human who can understand things, right? I’m sure you are and so, from a macro perspective, can understand and agree with what I’m saying.
Anonymous wrote:If Ukraine hadn’t gotten into bed with the democrats to hide the big story, they would never have been invaded.