So Robinson and Oakton play today? Why do colgan and BF play tmrw

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Anonymous wrote:Has nothing to do with defenders coming in late. That is not part of the definition of charging. The definition is:

Charging, barging, pushing into, lowering one’s head and shouldering, or backing into and making bodily contact with an opponent who has already established their position. It is not required the opponent be in a stationary position.

If the attacker initiates contact with a defender who is moving into an established position and the attacker pushes into and/or shoulders the defender it is offensive charging. A player cannot barge through two defenders sliding over to cut off a lane to goal.

”Already established their position” is the key phrase. If the attacker beats the defender to the spot, or even if it’s a tie, the defender is initiating contact. Defenders often leave enough of a gap for an offensive player to get skinny and dodge through. Being sandwiched a fraction of a second late is not charging.

Don’t get too caught up with establishing position wording, which can be as simple as a defender beating an attacker to a spot even while moving. This is not basketball where you have to be stationary. If defenders leave a small gap when sliding that she tries to barge or push through this is textbook charging. There is nothing in the rules that state if the contact is a “tie” the defenders get the foul. This is ridiculous and not baseball. The refs are very inconsistent and the calls could go either way. She initiates contact a lot. This will come down to how the refs see it.

Definition is clear, but that's not how it is called. Charges are rare. Once or twice a game usually. The attacker drawing contact in the 8m gets the benefit of the call a substantial majority of the time--even though the attacker "initiates contact". That's just how it's called at club, HS, and NCAA level.

According to the NHFS rules, the contact has to be made “in an effort to change the direction of the other player.” Contact alone doesn’t do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Has nothing to do with defenders coming in late. That is not part of the definition of charging. The definition is:

Charging, barging, pushing into, lowering one’s head and shouldering, or backing into and making bodily contact with an opponent who has already established their position. It is not required the opponent be in a stationary position.

If the attacker initiates contact with a defender who is moving into an established position and the attacker pushes into and/or shoulders the defender it is offensive charging. A player cannot barge through two defenders sliding over to cut off a lane to goal.

”Already established their position” is the key phrase. If the attacker beats the defender to the spot, or even if it’s a tie, the defender is initiating contact. Defenders often leave enough of a gap for an offensive player to get skinny and dodge through. Being sandwiched a fraction of a second late is not charging.

Don’t get too caught up with establishing position wording, which can be as simple as a defender beating an attacker to a spot even while moving. This is not basketball where you have to be stationary. If defenders leave a small gap when sliding that she tries to barge or push through this is textbook charging. There is nothing in the rules that state if the contact is a “tie” the defenders get the foul. This is ridiculous and not baseball. The refs are very inconsistent and the calls could go either way. She initiates contact a lot. This will come down to how the refs see it.

Anonymous wrote:Has nothing to do with defenders coming in late. That is not part of the definition of charging. The definition is:

Charging, barging, pushing into, lowering one’s head and shouldering, or backing into and making bodily contact with an opponent who has already established their position. It is not required the opponent be in a stationary position.

If the attacker initiates contact with a defender who is moving into an established position and the attacker pushes into and/or shoulders the defender it is offensive charging. A player cannot barge through two defenders sliding over to cut off a lane to goal.

”Already established their position” is the key phrase. If the attacker beats the defender to the spot, or even if it’s a tie, the defender is initiating contact. Defenders often leave enough of a gap for an offensive player to get skinny and dodge through. Being sandwiched a fraction of a second late is not charging.

Has nothing to do with defenders coming in late. That is not part of the definition of charging. The definition is:

Charging, barging, pushing into, lowering one’s head and shouldering, or backing into and making bodily contact with an opponent who has already established their position. It is not required the opponent be in a stationary position.

If the attacker initiates contact with a defender who is moving into an established position and the attacker pushes into and/or shoulders the defender it is offensive charging. A player cannot barge through two defenders sliding over to cut off a lane to goal.

Anonymous wrote:3 person officiating crew for states and Robinson boosters checkbook will turn those FPS into charges for JMU girl. Mark it down.

Mark this down. As long as Robinson’s 2 best players are out, Oakton rolls in this.

Anonymous wrote:3 person officiating crew for states and Robinson boosters checkbook will turn those FPS into charges for JMU girl. Mark it down.

Unless the charging foul in high school is different than in college, Oakton’s JMU girl doesn’t charge, the defenders close late and make contact. It’s easier for the refs to make that call accurately from the field than for parents to from the stands. It’s also bad form to impugn the refs by suggesting that they can be bought off.

3 person officiating crew for states and Robinson boosters checkbook will turn those FPS into charges for JMU girl. Mark it down.

You forgot to add, pressure #5 so she can’t get the left hand feed off. Don’t faceguard as there is no need but put pressure on her and you just eliminated probably 3-4 feeds that would result in a goal. After the pp advice and taking away the left feed from #5, oakton doesn’t have much at all. I would also be aware of them putting #4 in the middle, she gets open many times that way with little cuts. All in all, not taking away anything from oakton players, I think maybe the coy (with all the scandals going on) is not really coaching at all. Maybe he should focus on coaching rather than complaining to the refs.

Anonymous wrote:It looks like the Oakton haters are sticking their heads up again. Why do we see pps trying to share “how to beat Oakton” tips, but not “how to beat Robinson” tips?

Oakton has a more diverse offense than they’re getting credit for. The attackers have scored goals in every game I’ve seen. Face guarding #11 worked once (to a degree), when it was something Madison had not done before, but the exact same tactic didn’t work at all (5 goals) in the Regional Final. Either the coaching staff or the player came up with tactics to beat it.

Not an Oakton hater. Just sharing observations from the games I have seen them play. Have not seen Robinson. Countint on the refs to award FPS again is not a sound strategy, but a strategy I guess.

It looks like the Oakton haters are sticking their heads up again. Why do we see pps trying to share “how to beat Oakton” tips, but not “how to beat Robinson” tips?

Oakton has a more diverse offense than they’re getting credit for. The attackers have scored goals in every game I’ve seen. Face guarding #11 worked once (to a degree), when it was something Madison had not done before, but the exact same tactic didn’t work at all (5 goals) in the Regional Final. Either the coaching staff or the player came up with tactics to beat it.

Anonymous wrote:Good scouting report and plan but the third Madison game #11 had her way and got loose scoring at will. Same athlete played her. Easier said than done to stick with her the whole game as she can run all day. Also sleeping on #4 and #21 may haunt you. Surely Oakton will be ready for this type of scenario and will find ways to get her free. Oakton’s defense is as solid as any team and their goaltender is playing very well. Robo will need to play a great game to win.

I would not define #11 last game against Madison as having her way and scoring at will. How many of her goals were FPS? How many times could she have been called for charging? How many illegal blind picks were set? These calls went Oakton’s way that night but they cannot count on this as an offensive strategy. As the PP noted:

1. Face guard #11 and plan to have early slides when she does touch the ball.

2. Look for her to feed from the top of the 12 into the middle of the 8. If Oakton’s players can hold on to these feeds they may be able to get off shots. But those receiving the passes have not been able to do this consistently.

3. Look for the give and go to #11 coming from the top and her shooting from the middle of the 8.

4. Watch for the 1v1 dodging going mainly right. If #11 can get her shoulder around the defender she is going to goal. The slide needs to come early. If the slide does not come in correctly #11 will look to get shooting space.

5. If #11 tries to dodge and go down the middle or left look for the charge or warding.

6. Look for Oakton to try an feed her from down low right peeling off a pick up top.

Even limited success in these areas defensively will force others on Oakton to step up their offensive games.

Good scouting report and plan but the third Madison game #11 had her way and got loose scoring at will. Same athlete played her. Easier said than done to stick with her the whole game as she can run all day. Also sleeping on #4 and #21 may haunt you. Surely Oakton will be ready for this type of scenario and will find ways to get her free. Oakton’s defense is as solid as any team and their goaltender is playing very well. Robo will need to play a great game to win.

I’ve seen Oakton play several times this season. One was the Woodson game where it was hard to tell if Oakton was good that evening or if Woodson just played a really poor game. Both turned the ball over a lot. And neither offenses were impressive.

Madison proved if you have a quick defender with good footwork, face guarding #11 can work. Deny her the ball and make others beat you. If they do tip your cap to them. But Oakton does not have a lot of offensive weapons outside of #11. #4 may be their next best option but she has struggled to catch the ball in games I have seen and she does not go left much.

Woodson chose not to face guard #11. If a team selects this option the defense will need to slide quickly. She will most likely play from the top and 1) look to make a longer feed into the middle for #4 or maybe #21. 2) make a quick pass for a give and go back to her in the middle of the 8. Or 3) will try to dodge 1v1 going mostly to her right. If the slide is late she will try to take the ball to goal and shoot. She will also try to pull a slide over to get a shooting space call. She tends to duck into defenders so charging is something coaches will want to make the refs aware of.

If the ball goes down to GLE to a low attacker on the right side of the goal look for #11 to cut right from the top off a pick for a feed. Defenders will need to keep their sticks up in the passing lanes and be stick on stick and goal side on #11. I don’t recall Oakton’s low attackers being a threat to go to goal, but it’s possible if they are overplayed.

There is not much to the Oakton offense. Contain #11, disrupt their slow deliberate offense, and let others on the team beat you. Again, if they do tip your cap to them.