Anonymous
03/03/2022 22:25
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The only ones we need expressing their displeasure are China, because Russia depends on them for a lot of stuff, and OPEC, because Europe and the US need their oil if we're to implement a ban on Russian oil and gas imports.
India is welcome to stay neutral.
For the needle to move on China and OPEC countries, Russia will have to really go crazy in Ukraine, such that it's no longer feasible for any country's image to pretend to look the other way.
The needle has started moving tonight, with the fire at a nuclear reactor. Putin would love to lay waste to Ukraine, in a "if I can't have it, nobody can for thousands of years" sick murder-suicide lover way, and if he shows signs of going there, no nuclear country can stay neutral, because that it every nuclear country's worst nightmare.
We need reasonably priced and abundant OPEC oil, people, to starve the Russian government of its only source of money, oil and gas sales. OPEC countries must be persuaded to make a gesture, and that will only come if Russia, who is a member of OPEC +, turns into a PR disaster.
Reasonable cost oil isn’t a right.
How do Europeans and Asians deal with petrol prices?
USA should deal with 7 dollar gas. It isn’t hard. It’s almost spring. Walk. Stay at home. Ride a bike.
Many of Europe's major cities are walkable. US cities are mostly not. The average daily commute is 16 miles one way in the US-not exactly bike friendly.
The average daily commute to work? We've mostly been WFH for two years. No reason why we can't keep doing that.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 22:05
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:18% of Israel are russophones
Israel isn’t stupid. They know they cannot cross 🇷🇺 completely
No. All the Russian Jews I know HATE Russia. They left because of severe antisemitism.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:55
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
18% of Israel are russophones
Israel isn’t stupid. They know they cannot cross 🇷🇺 completely
Israel isn’t stupid. They know they cannot cross 🇷🇺 completely
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:53
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In India, while modi (bjp) and congress hate each other, if congress was in power, there wouldn’t be a difference in posture right now.
Modi isn’t driving the posture in this issue.
There is extremely broad based support for neutrality in India except for the very small…like 5% of people who are ameri/anglo-philes.
Yep. As much as DCUM likes to think Indian politics is driven by Hindutva, it actually doesn't work like that on the ground in India. Plus, when India was a Soviet ally, the Congress party was in power.
Not to mention that there is an element of racism in how the US treats India vs how the US treats Israel.
Good point.
People are definitely a lot more mad at India when their Russia policy is pretty similar to Israel.
Hmmm I wonder why
Really? I'm not seeing people calling India "revolting", etcetera.
State dept wants Biden to sanction India.
No one wants to sanction Israel.
No they dont. What kind of stupid disinfo is this?
Directly from Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs
Dummy
Leaked cable from yesterday that main state sent out also
That has to do with a previous set of sanctions and has been on the table since before the invasion. Dummy
The sanctions regime was a framework that Is being brought up again due to recent actions as a catalyst
The issue isn’t when the initial language was written but when/why it is being debated for enforcement. It is clearly being brought up now due to Russian actions in Ukraine.
It is irrelevant that the language/framework was form 2017
Semantics
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:48
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The only ones we need expressing their displeasure are China, because Russia depends on them for a lot of stuff, and OPEC, because Europe and the US need their oil if we're to implement a ban on Russian oil and gas imports.
India is welcome to stay neutral.
For the needle to move on China and OPEC countries, Russia will have to really go crazy in Ukraine, such that it's no longer feasible for any country's image to pretend to look the other way.
The needle has started moving tonight, with the fire at a nuclear reactor. Putin would love to lay waste to Ukraine, in a "if I can't have it, nobody can for thousands of years" sick murder-suicide lover way, and if he shows signs of going there, no nuclear country can stay neutral, because that it every nuclear country's worst nightmare.
We need reasonably priced and abundant OPEC oil, people, to starve the Russian government of its only source of money, oil and gas sales. OPEC countries must be persuaded to make a gesture, and that will only come if Russia, who is a member of OPEC +, turns into a PR disaster.
Reasonable cost oil isn’t a right.
How do Europeans and Asians deal with petrol prices?
USA should deal with 7 dollar gas. It isn’t hard. It’s almost spring. Walk. Stay at home. Ride a bike.
Many of Europe's major cities are walkable. US cities are mostly not. The average daily commute is 16 miles one way in the US-not exactly bike friendly.
Sounds like a good time to rethink suburban planning.
Perfect catalyst
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:47
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The only ones we need expressing their displeasure are China, because Russia depends on them for a lot of stuff, and OPEC, because Europe and the US need their oil if we're to implement a ban on Russian oil and gas imports.
India is welcome to stay neutral.
For the needle to move on China and OPEC countries, Russia will have to really go crazy in Ukraine, such that it's no longer feasible for any country's image to pretend to look the other way.
The needle has started moving tonight, with the fire at a nuclear reactor. Putin would love to lay waste to Ukraine, in a "if I can't have it, nobody can for thousands of years" sick murder-suicide lover way, and if he shows signs of going there, no nuclear country can stay neutral, because that it every nuclear country's worst nightmare.
We need reasonably priced and abundant OPEC oil, people, to starve the Russian government of its only source of money, oil and gas sales. OPEC countries must be persuaded to make a gesture, and that will only come if Russia, who is a member of OPEC +, turns into a PR disaster.
Reasonable cost oil isn’t a right.
How do Europeans and Asians deal with petrol prices?
USA should deal with 7 dollar gas. It isn’t hard. It’s almost spring. Walk. Stay at home. Ride a bike.
Many of Europe's major cities are walkable. US cities are mostly not. The average daily commute is 16 miles one way in the US-not exactly bike friendly.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:36
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
The only ones we need expressing their displeasure are China, because Russia depends on them for a lot of stuff, and OPEC, because Europe and the US need their oil if we're to implement a ban on Russian oil and gas imports.
India is welcome to stay neutral.
For the needle to move on China and OPEC countries, Russia will have to really go crazy in Ukraine, such that it's no longer feasible for any country's image to pretend to look the other way.
The needle has started moving tonight, with the fire at a nuclear reactor. Putin would love to lay waste to Ukraine, in a "if I can't have it, nobody can for thousands of years" sick murder-suicide lover way, and if he shows signs of going there, no nuclear country can stay neutral, because that it every nuclear country's worst nightmare.
We need reasonably priced and abundant OPEC oil, people, to starve the Russian government of its only source of money, oil and gas sales. OPEC countries must be persuaded to make a gesture, and that will only come if Russia, who is a member of OPEC +, turns into a PR disaster.
Reasonable cost oil isn’t a right.
How do Europeans and Asians deal with petrol prices?
USA should deal with 7 dollar gas. It isn’t hard. It’s almost spring. Walk. Stay at home. Ride a bike.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:32
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In India, while modi (bjp) and congress hate each other, if congress was in power, there wouldn’t be a difference in posture right now.
Modi isn’t driving the posture in this issue.
There is extremely broad based support for neutrality in India except for the very small…like 5% of people who are ameri/anglo-philes.
Yep. As much as DCUM likes to think Indian politics is driven by Hindutva, it actually doesn't work like that on the ground in India. Plus, when India was a Soviet ally, the Congress party was in power.
Not to mention that there is an element of racism in how the US treats India vs how the US treats Israel.
Good point.
People are definitely a lot more mad at India when their Russia policy is pretty similar to Israel.
Hmmm I wonder why
Really? I'm not seeing people calling India "revolting", etcetera.
State dept wants Biden to sanction India.
No one wants to sanction Israel.
No they dont. What kind of stupid disinfo is this?
Directly from Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs
Dummy
Leaked cable from yesterday that main state sent out also
That has to do with a previous set of sanctions and has been on the table since before the invasion. Dummy
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:31
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-1-europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-fire-after-russian-attack-mayor-2022-03-04/
We need to stop Russia now. This has gone too far. The world will suffer from the actions of a dying mad man.
We need to stop Russia now. This has gone too far. The world will suffer from the actions of a dying mad man.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:27
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
The only ones we need expressing their displeasure are China, because Russia depends on them for a lot of stuff, and OPEC, because Europe and the US need their oil if we're to implement a ban on Russian oil and gas imports.
India is welcome to stay neutral.
For the needle to move on China and OPEC countries, Russia will have to really go crazy in Ukraine, such that it's no longer feasible for any country's image to pretend to look the other way.
The needle has started moving tonight, with the fire at a nuclear reactor. Putin would love to lay waste to Ukraine, in a "if I can't have it, nobody can for thousands of years" sick murder-suicide lover way, and if he shows signs of going there, no nuclear country can stay neutral, because that it every nuclear country's worst nightmare.
We need reasonably priced and abundant OPEC oil, people, to starve the Russian government of its only source of money, oil and gas sales. OPEC countries must be persuaded to make a gesture, and that will only come if Russia, who is a member of OPEC +, turns into a PR disaster.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 21:22
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
But why not make the deadline like March 31st? Why 2 days ago?
Anonymous
03/03/2022 20:21
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In India, while modi (bjp) and congress hate each other, if congress was in power, there wouldn’t be a difference in posture right now.
Modi isn’t driving the posture in this issue.
There is extremely broad based support for neutrality in India except for the very small…like 5% of people who are ameri/anglo-philes.
Yep. As much as DCUM likes to think Indian politics is driven by Hindutva, it actually doesn't work like that on the ground in India. Plus, when India was a Soviet ally, the Congress party was in power.
Not to mention that there is an element of racism in how the US treats India vs how the US treats Israel.
Good point.
People are definitely a lot more mad at India when their Russia policy is pretty similar to Israel.
Hmmm I wonder why
Really? I'm not seeing people calling India "revolting", etcetera.
I have plenty of relatives in India and most of them are regurgitating straight Kremlin talking points.
Really? DP and I also have a ton of relatives in India. that's not what I am hearing - they feel like non-involvement is the safe option. There is also some concern about Russia arming Pakistan if India agrees to Russian sanctions.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 20:15
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In India, while modi (bjp) and congress hate each other, if congress was in power, there wouldn’t be a difference in posture right now.
Modi isn’t driving the posture in this issue.
There is extremely broad based support for neutrality in India except for the very small…like 5% of people who are ameri/anglo-philes.
Yep. As much as DCUM likes to think Indian politics is driven by Hindutva, it actually doesn't work like that on the ground in India. Plus, when India was a Soviet ally, the Congress party was in power.
Not to mention that there is an element of racism in how the US treats India vs how the US treats Israel.
Good point.
People are definitely a lot more mad at India when their Russia policy is pretty similar to Israel.
Hmmm I wonder why
Really? I'm not seeing people calling India "revolting", etcetera.
I have plenty of relatives in India and most of them are regurgitating straight Kremlin talking points.
Neither are Israelis
Keep the same energy
Anonymous
03/03/2022 20:12
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In India, while modi (bjp) and congress hate each other, if congress was in power, there wouldn’t be a difference in posture right now.
Modi isn’t driving the posture in this issue.
There is extremely broad based support for neutrality in India except for the very small…like 5% of people who are ameri/anglo-philes.
Yep. As much as DCUM likes to think Indian politics is driven by Hindutva, it actually doesn't work like that on the ground in India. Plus, when India was a Soviet ally, the Congress party was in power.
Not to mention that there is an element of racism in how the US treats India vs how the US treats Israel.
Good point.
People are definitely a lot more mad at India when their Russia policy is pretty similar to Israel.
Hmmm I wonder why
Really? I'm not seeing people calling India "revolting", etcetera.
I have plenty of relatives in India and most of them are regurgitating straight Kremlin talking points.
Anonymous
03/03/2022 20:07
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In India, while modi (bjp) and congress hate each other, if congress was in power, there wouldn’t be a difference in posture right now.
Modi isn’t driving the posture in this issue.
There is extremely broad based support for neutrality in India except for the very small…like 5% of people who are ameri/anglo-philes.
Yep. As much as DCUM likes to think Indian politics is driven by Hindutva, it actually doesn't work like that on the ground in India. Plus, when India was a Soviet ally, the Congress party was in power.
Not to mention that there is an element of racism in how the US treats India vs how the US treats Israel.
Good point.
People are definitely a lot more mad at India when their Russia policy is pretty similar to Israel.
Hmmm I wonder why
Really? I'm not seeing people calling India "revolting", etcetera.
State dept wants Biden to sanction India.
No one wants to sanction Israel.
No they dont. What kind of stupid disinfo is this?
Directly from Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs
Dummy
Leaked cable from yesterday that main state sent out also