Anonymous
10/04/2021 20:10
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.
I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.
Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.
Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.
Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.
I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!
+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.
Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.
+1. I think people are overestimating what police are able to do under the law in this situation. They both identified her as the primary aggressor. The police actually had to do some working around the situation so they wouldn’t be required, by law, to arrest her. Of course, in this situation, we can look back and wish he was arrested but our laws (rightly) require more than the information both parties gave to arrest him.
+2
Right, identifying her as the primary aggressor when the reports were of him hitting her was pretty darn incompetent.
She. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Had. Visible. Injuries.
Look, this all sucks. But Moab has 15 police officers for a town of 5000 people and countless backpackers and weirdos that come through the area to visit the national parks. The police did the best that they could under the circumstances.
I agree with this. Brian and Gabby were both adults. Law enforcement officers are not baby sitters. Since Gabby was in distress, they made sure she was able to talk with a support person, her mother. If she needed to stay in a hotel, her mom could have arranged it. I think that was a very sensitive thing for the officers to do, personally.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 19:05
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I have to say that I’m surprised that there are so many stories about him hitchhiking. Who picks up single male hitchhikers?
Anonymous
10/04/2021 18:59
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are secretly rooting for him, not be sure they like him but because they want to see a small fish escape all the big fish...
Agreed. He’s a young, white male and relatable to many of the similar racial makeup in America. Whether it be for themselves, their sons, nephews, grandsons, he’s become a symbol of a modern day Clyde.
I think it’s possible that he’s out of the country. It was just that simple because he is not viewed or perceived as a threat. He lawyered up and refused to speak. He was pretty much handed an opportunity to disappear. It appears that no law enforcement department was tracking him.
Ewwwww….no way does Brian Laundrie remind most of America of their son, brother, nephew.
Rather, he is the poster boy for who winds up in prison: uneducated, unemployed with a personality disorder. Just look at the expression in his eyes that looks like that of a junkie, look at his teeth, his scrawny body, his hair falling out in his early 20’s - also a sign of extreme emotional problems. He is a loser and he is headed to prison or dead by 30- likely both
Good riddance
Anonymous
10/04/2021 18:47
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Can we stop obsessing over the body cam footage? She called her parents from the side of the road. If they didn’t foresee this how can we expect police too? Anyway it doesn’t matter now. She’s gone. All they can do is find him and deliver justice, hopefully to the parents too. Their behavior has been abhorrent and I pray somehow illegal.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 15:51
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
maybe a 3rd person killed him.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 15:47
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.
I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.
Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.
Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.
Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.
I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!
+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.
Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.
+1. I think people are overestimating what police are able to do under the law in this situation. They both identified her as the primary aggressor. The police actually had to do some working around the situation so they wouldn’t be required, by law, to arrest her. Of course, in this situation, we can look back and wish he was arrested but our laws (rightly) require more than the information both parties gave to arrest him.
+2
Right, identifying her as the primary aggressor when the reports were of him hitting her was pretty darn incompetent.
She. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Had. Visible. Injuries.
Look, this all sucks. But Moab has 15 police officers for a town of 5000 people and countless backpackers and weirdos that come through the area to visit the national parks. The police did the best that they could under the circumstances.
Perhaps. It’s still a bad look for them. Hence the investigation and the administrative leave.
You’re delusional. She was sadly killed 11 days later in ANOTHER state. Let’s keep dunking on the police though, they haven’t had enough of that in the past 18 months.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 15:41
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.
I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.
Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.
Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.
Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.
I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!
+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.
Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.
+1. I think people are overestimating what police are able to do under the law in this situation. They both identified her as the primary aggressor. The police actually had to do some working around the situation so they wouldn’t be required, by law, to arrest her. Of course, in this situation, we can look back and wish he was arrested but our laws (rightly) require more than the information both parties gave to arrest him.
+2
Right, identifying her as the primary aggressor when the reports were of him hitting her was pretty darn incompetent.
She. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Had. Visible. Injuries.
Look, this all sucks. But Moab has 15 police officers for a town of 5000 people and countless backpackers and weirdos that come through the area to visit the national parks. The police did the best that they could under the circumstances.
Exactly. They both stated he pushed her away from him in self defense as she was scratching at his face. Obviously, we now know, he was the bad guy but police don’t (and shouldn’t) have the ability to arrest someone for giving off a “bad vibe”, seeming manipulative, or because their partner is crying and stating she has serious issues with anxiety. The police separated them which is really the most they could do. Arresting him under the circumstances shown would set a pretty terrible precedent. We can not pick and choose when and how we want law enforcement to overstep.
+2, specially the bolded part.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 15:39
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.
I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.
Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.
Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.
Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.
I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!
+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.
Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.
+1. I think people are overestimating what police are able to do under the law in this situation. They both identified her as the primary aggressor. The police actually had to do some working around the situation so they wouldn’t be required, by law, to arrest her. Of course, in this situation, we can look back and wish he was arrested but our laws (rightly) require more than the information both parties gave to arrest him.
+2
Right, identifying her as the primary aggressor when the reports were of him hitting her was pretty darn incompetent.
She. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Had. Visible. Injuries.
Look, this all sucks. But Moab has 15 police officers for a town of 5000 people and countless backpackers and weirdos that come through the area to visit the national parks. The police did the best that they could under the circumstances.
Exactly. They both stated he pushed her away from him in self defense as she was scratching at his face. Obviously, we now know, he was the bad guy but police don’t (and shouldn’t) have the ability to arrest someone for giving off a “bad vibe”, seeming manipulative, or because their partner is crying and stating she has serious issues with anxiety. The police separated them which is really the most they could do. Arresting him under the circumstances shown would set a pretty terrible precedent. We can not pick and choose when and how we want law enforcement to overstep.
They put in a lot of effort so that she wouldn’t be arrested basically guiding her to say she did not hit him with intention to harm but that she “just wanted him to stop talking”. DV cases are extremely difficult to navigate but I don’t know what else the police could have done. I don’t believe they would have let a male aggressor off as easily as they did her. They did not arrest her and left her with a vehicle (means to escape him if she so close to).
Anonymous
10/04/2021 15:33
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.
I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.
Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.
Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.
Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.
I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!
+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.
Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.
+1. I think people are overestimating what police are able to do under the law in this situation. They both identified her as the primary aggressor. The police actually had to do some working around the situation so they wouldn’t be required, by law, to arrest her. Of course, in this situation, we can look back and wish he was arrested but our laws (rightly) require more than the information both parties gave to arrest him.
+2
Right, identifying her as the primary aggressor when the reports were of him hitting her was pretty darn incompetent.
She. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.
He. Had. Visible. Injuries.
Look, this all sucks. But Moab has 15 police officers for a town of 5000 people and countless backpackers and weirdos that come through the area to visit the national parks. The police did the best that they could under the circumstances.
Exactly. They both stated he pushed her away from him in self defense as she was scratching at his face. Obviously, we now know, he was the bad guy but police don’t (and shouldn’t) have the ability to arrest someone for giving off a “bad vibe”, seeming manipulative, or because their partner is crying and stating she has serious issues with anxiety. The police separated them which is really the most they could do. Arresting him under the circumstances shown would set a pretty terrible precedent. We can not pick and choose when and how we want law enforcement to overstep.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 15:20
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:He has generic looks. He has police ties. He will be hidden for a long time. Sadly.
What are his police ties? Also, how do people think he is getting money? I'm sure the FBI is watching all of his parents' bank accounts and he's certainly not using a debit card. Did his parents prepare him with stacks of prepaid Visa gift cards? Or a ton of cash? Either way I think there would be evidence of cash withdrawals or whatever else from their banks. These are also not experienced Foreign Service types who know how to live off the grid.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 14:38
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I agree too. I really don't think he killed himself, and if he did, I don't think it'd be quietly.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 14:26
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If he’s going to kill himself, why does he care if he does it in a hidden area or not?
He's not going to kill himself.
I agree but many PP’s don’t. If he were the suicide type, he would have done it in WY, murder-suicide style.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 14:24
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:If he’s going to kill himself, why does he care if he does it in a hidden area or not?
He's not going to kill himself.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 14:19
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
If he’s going to kill himself, why does he care if he does it in a hidden area or not?
Anonymous
10/04/2021 14:15
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's kind of shocking to me with the publicity this case has had, that Brian still hasn't been found. Is it that easy to stay under the radar with the whole country keeping an eye out for you? How is he pullig that off?
Perhaps by being dead.
Dead people can be found too. It's still crazy that he's been under the radar with every other person knowing what his face looks like and that he's on the run (or dead).
They can be, but if he offed himself in a remote wetland area with dense foliage where wildlife takes care of bodies quickly, probably not.
Which would be excellent for someone trying not to be found. Once they give up looking for you, no one is going to go back.