Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 16:14     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/mylordbebo/status/1680850601779900416/mediaviewer

Even Eric Schmidt on Zakaria — pro Ukraine slant people - are waking up that the “counteroffensive” is a nothing burger


Unless we see something significant by September, prepare for another ten years of stalemate.

I can't see Putin withdrawing fully any time soon with NATO now essentially saying yes to Ukraine.


Ukraine is making progress, but they are being very strategic about it and are making cautious tactical choices. They continue to make numerous surgical strikes taking out Russian artillery (where Russia has one of its few remaining advantages) along with strikes to take out command and leadership, and to demoralize Russia. They are doing a great job with that.

But if you think all this should be going faster or want them to go charging full tilt with all their armor and infantry "LEEEEEEROY JENKINS" style into fields littered with thousands of Russian mines then you're either uninformed or foolish.


TBH that's wishful thinking where you convince yourself they are playing some kind of three-dimensional chess and there is some kind of success that's invisible and undetectable. I mean it could be that. Or they could be doing quite badly. It isn't possible to say right now.



Without air dominance, it's going to be a slog. Russians had a year to dig in. Every approach to their positions is heavily mined. Their artillery is locked in. There's no easy way to break through. Slow and methodical is the only way.

It's a very good thing that the US invests so much in air power. American soldiers will never have to fight like this. But for Ukrainians, it's a terrible war.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:53     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/mylordbebo/status/1680850601779900416/mediaviewer

Even Eric Schmidt on Zakaria — pro Ukraine slant people - are waking up that the “counteroffensive” is a nothing burger


Unless we see something significant by September, prepare for another ten years of stalemate.

I can't see Putin withdrawing fully any time soon with NATO now essentially saying yes to Ukraine.


Ukraine is making progress, but they are being very strategic about it and are making cautious tactical choices. They continue to make numerous surgical strikes taking out Russian artillery (where Russia has one of its few remaining advantages) along with strikes to take out command and leadership, and to demoralize Russia. They are doing a great job with that.

But if you think all this should be going faster or want them to go charging full tilt with all their armor and infantry "LEEEEEEROY JENKINS" style into fields littered with thousands of Russian mines then you're either uninformed or foolish.


TBH that's wishful thinking where you convince yourself they are playing some kind of three-dimensional chess and there is some kind of success that's invisible and undetectable. I mean it could be that. Or they could be doing quite badly. It isn't possible to say right now.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:51     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:Ratio of UKR to RUS KIA and tank loss is pretty bad right now.


I haven't seen any credible info showing Ukraine suffering bigger losses than Russia.

Russian troop and artillery losses have been significant. And at this point, Russia is already down to having fewer tanks and other pieces of equipment still functional than Ukraine does.


I'm still waiting for someone on the Ukrainian side to post a number. They talk about Russian losses a lot but avoid that like it's the number that shall not be named.

They must have one if they are comparing with Russian losses.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:31     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:Economists now saying Ukraine will need 4.5 million new workers to rebuild

But Ukrainians given wage differentials will keep rushing west

So there is gonna be mass immigration from the Maghreb and Pakistan to Ukraine due to labor needs

That’s gonna make the Slavic world big mad 😂 since Slavs are super racist



Nothingburger. How do you think Germany rebuilt? With Turks and other imported gastarbeiter.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:29     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:Economists now saying Ukraine will need 4.5 million new workers to rebuild

But Ukrainians given wage differentials will keep rushing west

So there is gonna be mass immigration from the Maghreb and Pakistan to Ukraine due to labor needs

That’s gonna make the Slavic world big mad 😂 since Slavs are super racist


This will help them get over their racism. I'm for it.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:22     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Economists now saying Ukraine will need 4.5 million new workers to rebuild

But Ukrainians given wage differentials will keep rushing west

So there is gonna be mass immigration from the Maghreb and Pakistan to Ukraine due to labor needs

That’s gonna make the Slavic world big mad 😂 since Slavs are super racist
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:17     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

It should also be noted that some of the things pro-Russia folks crowed about during the Ukrainian counter offensive, such as photos of groups of Bradleys and other recent NATO equipment donations sitting damaged by Russia - the front where many of those photos came from has shifted in Ukraine's favor and a lot of that equipment has already been recovered and is being repaired and re-fielded.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:14     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:Ratio of UKR to RUS KIA and tank loss is pretty bad right now.


I haven't seen any credible info showing Ukraine suffering bigger losses than Russia.

Russian troop and artillery losses have been significant. And at this point, Russia is already down to having fewer tanks and other pieces of equipment still functional than Ukraine does.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:12     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/mylordbebo/status/1680850601779900416/mediaviewer

Even Eric Schmidt on Zakaria — pro Ukraine slant people - are waking up that the “counteroffensive” is a nothing burger


Unless we see something significant by September, prepare for another ten years of stalemate.

I can't see Putin withdrawing fully any time soon with NATO now essentially saying yes to Ukraine.


Ukraine is making progress, but they are being very strategic about it and are making cautious tactical choices. They continue to make numerous surgical strikes taking out Russian artillery (where Russia has one of its few remaining advantages) along with strikes to take out command and leadership, and to demoralize Russia. They are doing a great job with that.

But if you think all this should be going faster or want them to go charging full tilt with all their armor and infantry "LEEEEEEROY JENKINS" style into fields littered with thousands of Russian mines then you're either uninformed or foolish.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 15:02     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:Ratio of UKR to RUS KIA and tank loss is pretty bad right now.

At this point you have to ask if getting lots of Ukrainians killed isn't the point.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 13:34     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Ratio of UKR to RUS KIA and tank loss is pretty bad right now.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 13:34     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/mylordbebo/status/1680850601779900416/mediaviewer

Even Eric Schmidt on Zakaria — pro Ukraine slant people - are waking up that the “counteroffensive” is a nothing burger


I mean look. Cluster munitions were a total act of desperation. It’s an equivalent of a wilted lettuce leaf and a piece of moldy bread in an empty fridge. If they had anything else to give, they’d be giving it.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 13:33     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:The strike killed both parents of a 14-year old girl who is currently in intensive care with a skull injury.


Which begs the question. Are there situations where terrorism (and that’s what the bridge attack essentially is) is justified?
I think Ukraine has been doing extremely well in the PR war so far. Yet this is something that might (or might not?) harm their image of an innocent victim of a brutal attack of a big bad wolf. Or is anything that hurts the bad guy justified?



This was not terrorism. Russia invaded Ukraine. The Kerch bridge is used by Russia to supply its occupying troops in Crimea. It is very much a legitimate military target. Have you said a word about the thousands of Ukrainian civilians that Russia has deliberately murdered?


I thought we already agreed Russia is a bad, bad guy.
I am more interested in Ukrainian tactic. I have a feeling the world will agree with you. It’s ok to kill civilians if they are from the bad bad country.


Nobody (or at least very few) is saying it's okay to kill civilians. I feel terrible for this girl. I feel terrible for all the kids that have been impacted by Putin's ego/idiocy. But this isn't terrorism. The bridge is a legitimate military target that Ukraine should continue to pound. Russia shouldn't be encouraging its citizens to vacation in a war zone.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 13:30     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/mylordbebo/status/1680850601779900416/mediaviewer

Even Eric Schmidt on Zakaria — pro Ukraine slant people - are waking up that the “counteroffensive” is a nothing burger


So what does that make Russian's Winter Offensive? A fart in the wind?
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 13:29     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/mylordbebo/status/1680850601779900416/mediaviewer

Even Eric Schmidt on Zakaria — pro Ukraine slant people - are waking up that the “counteroffensive” is a nothing burger


Unless we see something significant by September, prepare for another ten years of stalemate.

I can't see Putin withdrawing fully any time soon with NATO now essentially saying yes to Ukraine.