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For all the people saying her friends and family should have done something--what exactly could they have done? She's not a minor. It's tragic. I've been a similar situation where I was trying to look out for a friend in abusive situation. Ultimately, my hands were tied, she was an adult and made the decision to stay. This is all part of the cycle of the abuse.

I think it makes us feel better to say the parents should have done x or this is on them. As horrible as it is, this could happen to anyone. Sometimes terrible bad unfair awful things happen. That is part of life. We have less control than we think.

IDK what the parents even knew? Like have people heard that she was calling mom and saying - bf and I have been fighting, he slaps me, tries to grab my phone away, push me out of the car etc?? I haven't heard this at all. She's thousands of miles away and all they're getting from her is occasional texts/calls saying - omg Moab was sooo beautiful - and seeing this perfectly curated trip on IG. How would the parents have known?

As for friends, people are saying that they really stuck to themselves and had very few friends. That seems to be abuser 101 - separate the woman from her friends, fill her head with ideas of how bad they are, how she doesn't need them, it's you and me against the world babe. So IDK if she even had any friends that she was close enough with to share that she and Brian were fighting and he gets physical with her. And reality is at 22 with this kind of thing, you'd totally see a friend speaking out to the media - bc they knew something or even just for 15 min of fame. She's only 22 - in normal cases you'd hear from a college roommate or high school or college best friend - oh she reached out to me when she was at X on her trip or we spoke right before she was leaving or whatever, and we've heard NONE of that. We've literally heard no one speak besides mom, dad, stepdad, and I think she has 2 siblings. I think the circle was pretty small and I'm guess Brian had something to do with that.

Her friend Rose Davis has done interviews and has spoken! Gabby was supposed to meet up with Rose shortly after Utah. It was planned ahead. You are right that Brian had something to do with isolating Gabby. Rose said that back in Florida, Brian was extremely controlling. eg. He would hide Gabby's id so she couldn't go dancing with Rose. He would pick Gabby up instead of letting her get home on her own.

This is old news going back many pages.

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For all the people saying her friends and family should have done something--what exactly could they have done? She's not a minor. It's tragic. I've been a similar situation where I was trying to look out for a friend in abusive situation. Ultimately, my hands were tied, she was an adult and made the decision to stay. This is all part of the cycle of the abuse.

I think it makes us feel better to say the parents should have done x or this is on them. As horrible as it is, this could happen to anyone. Sometimes terrible bad unfair awful things happen. That is part of life. We have less control than we think.

IDK what the parents even knew? Like have people heard that she was calling mom and saying - bf and I have been fighting, he slaps me, tries to grab my phone away, push me out of the car etc?? I haven't heard this at all. She's thousands of miles away and all they're getting from her is occasional texts/calls saying - omg Moab was sooo beautiful - and seeing this perfectly curated trip on IG. How would the parents have known?

As for friends, people are saying that they really stuck to themselves and had very few friends. That seems to be abuser 101 - separate the woman from her friends, fill her head with ideas of how bad they are, how she doesn't need them, it's you and me against the world babe. So IDK if she even had any friends that she was close enough with to share that she and Brian were fighting and he gets physical with her. And reality is at 22 with this kind of thing, you'd totally see a friend speaking out to the media - bc they knew something or even just for 15 min of fame. She's only 22 - in normal cases you'd hear from a college roommate or high school or college best friend - oh she reached out to me when she was at X on her trip or we spoke right before she was leaving or whatever, and we've heard NONE of that. We've literally heard no one speak besides mom, dad, stepdad, and I think she has 2 siblings. I think the circle was pretty small and I'm guess Brian had something to do with that.

Her friend Rose Davis has done interviews and has spoken! Gabby was supposed to meet up with Rose shortly after Utah. It was planned ahead. You are right that Brian had something to do with isolating Gabby. Rose said that back in Florida, Brian was extremely controlling. eg. He would hide Gabby's id so she couldn't go dancing with Rose. He would pick Gabby up instead of letting her get home on her own.

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For all the people saying her friends and family should have done something--what exactly could they have done? She's not a minor. It's tragic. I've been a similar situation where I was trying to look out for a friend in abusive situation. Ultimately, my hands were tied, she was an adult and made the decision to stay. This is all part of the cycle of the abuse.

I think it makes us feel better to say the parents should have done x or this is on them. As horrible as it is, this could happen to anyone. Sometimes terrible bad unfair awful things happen. That is part of life. We have less control than we think.

IDK what the parents even knew? Like have people heard that she was calling mom and saying - bf and I have been fighting, he slaps me, tries to grab my phone away, push me out of the car etc?? I haven't heard this at all. She's thousands of miles away and all they're getting from her is occasional texts/calls saying - omg Moab was sooo beautiful - and seeing this perfectly curated trip on IG. How would the parents have known?

As for friends, people are saying that they really stuck to themselves and had very few friends. That seems to be abuser 101 - separate the woman from her friends, fill her head with ideas of how bad they are, how she doesn't need them, it's you and me against the world babe. So IDK if she even had any friends that she was close enough with to share that she and Brian were fighting and he gets physical with her. And reality is at 22 with this kind of thing, you'd totally see a friend speaking out to the media - bc they knew something or even just for 15 min of fame. She's only 22 - in normal cases you'd hear from a college roommate or high school or college best friend - oh she reached out to me when she was at X on her trip or we spoke right before she was leaving or whatever, and we've heard NONE of that. We've literally heard no one speak besides mom, dad, stepdad, and I think she has 2 siblings. I think the circle was pretty small and I'm guess Brian had something to do with that.

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For all the people saying her friends and family should have done something--what exactly could they have done? She's not a minor. It's tragic. I've been a similar situation where I was trying to look out for a friend in abusive situation. Ultimately, my hands were tied, she was an adult and made the decision to stay. This is all part of the cycle of the abuse.

I think it makes us feel better to say the parents should have done x or this is on them. As horrible as it is, this could happen to anyone. Sometimes terrible bad unfair awful things happen. That is part of life. We have less control than we think.

IDK what the parents even knew? Like have people heard that she was calling mom and saying - bf and I have been fighting, he slaps me, tries to grab my phone away, push me out of the car etc?? I haven't heard this at all. She's thousands of miles away and all they're getting from her is occasional texts/calls saying - omg Moab was sooo beautiful - and seeing this perfectly curated trip on IG. How would the parents have known?

As for friends, people are saying that they really stuck to themselves and had very few friends. That seems to be abuser 101 - separate the woman from her friends, fill her head with ideas of how bad they are, how she doesn't need them, it's you and me against the world babe. So IDK if she even had any friends that she was close enough with to share that she and Brian were fighting and he gets physical with her. And reality is at 22 with this kind of thing, you'd totally see a friend speaking out to the media - bc they knew something or even just for 15 min of fame. She's only 22 - in normal cases you'd hear from a college roommate or high school or college best friend - oh she reached out to me when she was at X on her trip or we spoke right before she was leaving or whatever, and we've heard NONE of that. We've literally heard no one speak besides mom, dad, stepdad, and I think she has 2 siblings. I think the circle was pretty small and I'm guess Brian had something to do with that.

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For all the people saying her friends and family should have done something--what exactly could they have done? She's not a minor. It's tragic. I've been a similar situation where I was trying to look out for a friend in abusive situation. Ultimately, my hands were tied, she was an adult and made the decision to stay. This is all part of the cycle of the abuse.

I think it makes us feel better to say the parents should have done x or this is on them. As horrible as it is, this could happen to anyone. Sometimes terrible bad unfair awful things happen. That is part of life. We have less control than we think.

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Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

No offense, but it doesn’t sound like they were really engaged.

Okay, let's stick to the important stuff instead of petty nonsense.

Yes what is happening with Dog?

Oh, he's a follow-on-er looking for another 15 minutes of fame.

Yeah the more attention Dog gets the less likely people are to continue looking for Brian Landerie. People will have bystander effect and assume between Dog, FBI and Police that they’ve got a hold of where he is and stop paying attention everywhere else.

There are people who are more willing to talk to Dog than LE, so his involvement could be beneficial. Ditto John Walsh and Co.

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Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

No offense, but it doesn’t sound like they were really engaged.

Okay, let's stick to the important stuff instead of petty nonsense.

Yes what is happening with Dog?

Oh, he's a follow-on-er looking for another 15 minutes of fame.

Yeah the more attention Dog gets the less likely people are to continue looking for Brian Landerie. People will have bystander effect and assume between Dog, FBI and Police that they’ve got a hold of where he is and stop paying attention everywhere else.

Anonymous wrote:I watched the bodycam video very early on and was one of the few people in this thread who thought she definitely was a victim and that Brian was definitely the abuser-- just based on their statements and behavior.

But cops aren't in the business of reading into situations to find the deeper truths. They are in the business of enforcing the law. Gabby was claiming fault for everything that went wrong between her and Brian, and Brian was saying a lot of words that didn't form a cohesive message. You can't form an actual case against Brian based on your biases. And my read of the situation comes from biases based on my interactions with DV victims and abusers, and my own experiences with DV. Victims see themselves as completely at fault so its not easy for cops to make a case.

I really don't blame the cops. Yes, they said some misogynistic stuff but we live In a misogynistic world, and it's unrealistic to think that cops will be anything other than normal and average when it comes to enlightened thinking about gender (and race). They spent over an hour with Gabby and Brian and did what they felt they could to de-escalate.

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Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

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Anonymous wrote:After watching both police videos, I shake my head how the police could not see what a con artist Brian was. Look at his body language, how he seems so hyper, apologized over and over while nervously making little jokes. Didn’t those cops ever see Chris Watts body language after his wife/kids went “missing?” Same body language, smiling while playing a part. Brian was displaying sociopathic vibes like Chris was. And hopefully will share the same fate too.
I watch these videos of Gabby basically crying out to whoever will listen. So many cries for help.
I want to tell her, Gabby leave him at the hotel. Let him have a hot shower and a real bed to sleep in. Meanwhile get in the van and drive, drive all night if you can. Go home to your parents. Let Brian figure out the rest after his little free mini-vaca. The Bowen Hotel ain’t too bad.

Hindsight is 20/20. The cops surely see a lot of nervous, apologetic people. They did their job and separated the two to cool down for the night. They listened to Gabby, but they aren’t psychologists, social workers, or psychics. There are limits to what they are allowed to do, especially since Brian was the one sporting scratches, and Gabby didn’t in fact “cry for help.”

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+2. Exactly. Sad if anyone loses their job over this.

In a world with no training in domestic violence maybe. It’s pretty much domestic violence 101 that an abused woman will not admit abuse to strangers. Also that abusers are liars. Which is why the initial report from a neutral third party that he was hitting her should have guided all subsequent police action.

I don't get it that Brian is labeled as a domestic abuser. Where are the bruises on Gabby? It looks like that girl took so many pictures of herself that surely, there would some indication of his previous abusing behavior.

Listen, I think this guy is a dirt bag for what he did after she disappeared but that doesn't make him an abuser. Save that terms for dudes who actually abuse. Brian is just a low life dirt bag with no conscious.

Abuse is not necessarily just physical, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

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Anonymous wrote:After watching both police videos, I shake my head how the police could not see what a con artist Brian was. Look at his body language, how he seems so hyper, apologized over and over while nervously making little jokes. Didn’t those cops ever see Chris Watts body language after his wife/kids went “missing?” Same body language, smiling while playing a part. Brian was displaying sociopathic vibes like Chris was. And hopefully will share the same fate too.
I watch these videos of Gabby basically crying out to whoever will listen. So many cries for help.
I want to tell her, Gabby leave him at the hotel. Let him have a hot shower and a real bed to sleep in. Meanwhile get in the van and drive, drive all night if you can. Go home to your parents. Let Brian figure out the rest after his little free mini-vaca. The Bowen Hotel ain’t too bad.

Hindsight is 20/20. The cops surely see a lot of nervous, apologetic people. They did their job and separated the two to cool down for the night. They listened to Gabby, but they aren’t psychologists, social workers, or psychics. There are limits to what they are allowed to do, especially since Brian was the one sporting scratches, and Gabby didn’t in fact “cry for help.”

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+2. Exactly. Sad if anyone loses their job over this.

In a world with no training in domestic violence maybe. It’s pretty much domestic violence 101 that an abused woman will not admit abuse to strangers. Also that abusers are liars. Which is why the initial report from a neutral third party that he was hitting her should have guided all subsequent police action.

I don't get it that Brian is labeled as a domestic abuser. Where are the bruises on Gabby? It looks like that girl took so many pictures of herself that surely, there would some indication of his previous abusing behavior.

Listen, I think this guy is a dirt bag for what he did after she disappeared but that doesn't make him an abuser. Save that terms for dudes who actually abuse. Brian is just a low life dirt bag with no conscious.