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Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

I believe it because men who don't get divorced are like this. During the baby/toddler/early childhood years when the kids are WORK, they are so often trying to et out of doing that work, trying to explain the work isn't necessary, or complaining about the work. Meanwhile, their wives are doing all of it. And then when those kids become fun, capable older children with social-emotional skills who can dress themselves, use the bathroom on their own, clean themselves, keep themselves entertained for long stretches, etc., the dads suddenly talk about how great their kids are and how much they enjoy being around them and doing things with them. And often this process happens without the fathers ever understanding, and certainly not acknowledging, that the only reason it happened is because their wives (as well as childcare workers, teachers, sometimes other family members) put in the hard work during those critical early years to get the kids to that point.

My favorite is when these men will point to some of their kids' best qualities and brag on how "he gets that from me" or whatever. Sir, I knew that kid when he was 4 years old and you were too busy to drop him off or pick him up for school, spent playground visits staring at your phone, and let your wife dress him, potty train him, take him to the doctor, sign him up for sports and activities, etc. You shouldn't be patting yourself on the back, you should be thanking your lucky stars.

But yes, a huge part of what women do for children is facilitate their relationships with their fathers, which wind up being the most critical in their self-esteem and sense of self-confidence, specifically because those same dads are so much more checked out and hands off through their early childhood. Distant dads become the authority on a child's self-worth because they are distant, and moms have to bridge the gap for their kids, even as it means allowing their own work and contribution to be swept aside.

I honestly don't know how divorced women do it. I see this dynamic in pretty much every happily married couple I know, I can't imagine trying to translate that to a split. The only thing I can think is that for some men, joint custody and having to parent solo forces them to finally step up. But what if he doesn't?

Sounds like you picked the wrong father for your kids. My husband is extremely involved and does everything for our kids. Or, maybe you are the problem that you don't let him do things and have to control it all. If I died today I wouldn't worry if mine would be well cared for.

I would absolutely worry. Glad you found such an involved dad, but most women don't learn how involved a man is going to be until the kids arrive, and the vast majority of men are not "extremely involved" especially not with very young kids. So unless you are ready to argue that almost everyone "picked the wrong father", then this is a social problem that cannot be solved by each woman just making better mate choices. There are quite simply not enough men like what you are describing out there to go around. The birth rate would totally plummet.

This is actually the norm. I worked with families, and by far the women did the majority of the home and child rearing. Even with full time jobs. Not to say all men are this way, but yes the majority. A big cause of divorce initiated by women fyi. I remember one lady who divorced her husband because he refused to do anything child care related. He ended up finding another woman who simply took over when the kids were at his house. Sad all the way around, and yes those kids had problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

Most of the mom's here will not let the dad's be active and involved parents so its a non-issue.

LOL honey have you ever seen a man volunteer to potty-train his children?

Oh honey, you are just a bitter person who hates men because you cannot find a decent one. Yes, my husband helped PT our kids. He cooks, he cleans, he takes them to all the activities, he helps with school work, folds the laundry and much more. You can hate men all you want but many men are equal parents, some better.

Np most husbands do stuff like this. It’s the divorced men who don’t. I’ve never seen a divorced man help potty train their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

Most of the mom's here will not let the dad's be active and involved parents so its a non-issue.

LOL honey have you ever seen a man volunteer to potty-train his children?

Oh honey, you are just a bitter person who hates men because you cannot find a decent one. Yes, my husband helped PT our kids. He cooks, he cleans, he takes them to all the activities, he helps with school work, folds the laundry and much more. You can hate men all you want but many men are equal parents, some better.

Np most husbands do stuff like this. It’s the divorced men who don’t. I’ve never seen a divorced man help potty train their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

Most of the mom's here will not let the dad's be active and involved parents so its a non-issue.

LOL honey have you ever seen a man volunteer to potty-train his children?

Oh honey, you are just a bitter person who hates men because you cannot find a decent one. Yes, my husband helped PT our kids. He cooks, he cleans, he takes them to all the activities, he helps with school work, folds the laundry and much more. You can hate men all you want but many men are equal parents, some better.

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Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

I believe it because men who don't get divorced are like this. During the baby/toddler/early childhood years when the kids are WORK, they are so often trying to et out of doing that work, trying to explain the work isn't necessary, or complaining about the work. Meanwhile, their wives are doing all of it. And then when those kids become fun, capable older children with social-emotional skills who can dress themselves, use the bathroom on their own, clean themselves, keep themselves entertained for long stretches, etc., the dads suddenly talk about how great their kids are and how much they enjoy being around them and doing things with them. And often this process happens without the fathers ever understanding, and certainly not acknowledging, that the only reason it happened is because their wives (as well as childcare workers, teachers, sometimes other family members) put in the hard work during those critical early years to get the kids to that point.

My favorite is when these men will point to some of their kids' best qualities and brag on how "he gets that from me" or whatever. Sir, I knew that kid when he was 4 years old and you were too busy to drop him off or pick him up for school, spent playground visits staring at your phone, and let your wife dress him, potty train him, take him to the doctor, sign him up for sports and activities, etc. You shouldn't be patting yourself on the back, you should be thanking your lucky stars.

But yes, a huge part of what women do for children is facilitate their relationships with their fathers, which wind up being the most critical in their self-esteem and sense of self-confidence, specifically because those same dads are so much more checked out and hands off through their early childhood. Distant dads become the authority on a child's self-worth because they are distant, and moms have to bridge the gap for their kids, even as it means allowing their own work and contribution to be swept aside.

I honestly don't know how divorced women do it. I see this dynamic in pretty much every happily married couple I know, I can't imagine trying to translate that to a split. The only thing I can think is that for some men, joint custody and having to parent solo forces them to finally step up. But what if he doesn't?

Sounds like you picked the wrong father for your kids. My husband is extremely involved and does everything for our kids. Or, maybe you are the problem that you don't let him do things and have to control it all. If I died today I wouldn't worry if mine would be well cared for.

I would absolutely worry. Glad you found such an involved dad, but most women don't learn how involved a man is going to be until the kids arrive, and the vast majority of men are not "extremely involved" especially not with very young kids. So unless you are ready to argue that almost everyone "picked the wrong father", then this is a social problem that cannot be solved by each woman just making better mate choices. There are quite simply not enough men like what you are describing out there to go around. The birth rate would totally plummet.

This is actually the norm. I worked with families, and by far the women did the majority of the home and child rearing. Even with full time jobs. Not to say all men are this way, but yes the majority. A big cause of divorce initiated by women fyi. I remember one lady who divorced her husband because he refused to do anything child care related. He ended up finding another woman who simply took over when the kids were at his house. Sad all the way around, and yes those kids had problems.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tale as old as time. There are many men who take care of the child(ren) of the woman they are sleeping with. So, if he isn’t sleeping with her, he will not take care of her kids (even if they are his).

So true. I'm from a different culture, and my SIL's dad abandoned his 4 bio kids and adopted and raised with great care his stepdaughter, who was 2 years old when they met. He paid for her college in full, $$$ wedding and everything.

My FIL, an American, did this. Abandoned his 4 bio kids physically (moved across the country), financially, and emotionally and then remarried and adopted a child with second wife. Raised that one as a hands-on involved parent, coached sports, went to events, paid for college, bought the first car, etc. Cut his first 4 kids off the day he left, until they were independent adults who were supporting themselves. Now wants to be Granddad. We let him, it’s for our kids, but I judge the sh** out of him for his choices and mistakes. And I feel awful for my MIL, who did it all on her own for their whole childhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

I believe it because men who don't get divorced are like this. During the baby/toddler/early childhood years when the kids are WORK, they are so often trying to et out of doing that work, trying to explain the work isn't necessary, or complaining about the work. Meanwhile, their wives are doing all of it. And then when those kids become fun, capable older children with social-emotional skills who can dress themselves, use the bathroom on their own, clean themselves, keep themselves entertained for long stretches, etc., the dads suddenly talk about how great their kids are and how much they enjoy being around them and doing things with them. And often this process happens without the fathers ever understanding, and certainly not acknowledging, that the only reason it happened is because their wives (as well as childcare workers, teachers, sometimes other family members) put in the hard work during those critical early years to get the kids to that point.

My favorite is when these men will point to some of their kids' best qualities and brag on how "he gets that from me" or whatever. Sir, I knew that kid when he was 4 years old and you were too busy to drop him off or pick him up for school, spent playground visits staring at your phone, and let your wife dress him, potty train him, take him to the doctor, sign him up for sports and activities, etc. You shouldn't be patting yourself on the back, you should be thanking your lucky stars.

But yes, a huge part of what women do for children is facilitate their relationships with their fathers, which wind up being the most critical in their self-esteem and sense of self-confidence, specifically because those same dads are so much more checked out and hands off through their early childhood. Distant dads become the authority on a child's self-worth because they are distant, and moms have to bridge the gap for their kids, even as it means allowing their own work and contribution to be swept aside.

I honestly don't know how divorced women do it. I see this dynamic in pretty much every happily married couple I know, I can't imagine trying to translate that to a split. The only thing I can think is that for some men, joint custody and having to parent solo forces them to finally step up. But what if he doesn't?

Sounds like you picked the wrong father for your kids. My husband is extremely involved and does everything for our kids. Or, maybe you are the problem that you don't let him do things and have to control it all. If I died today I wouldn't worry if mine would be well cared for.

I would absolutely worry. Glad you found such an involved dad, but most women don't learn how involved a man is going to be until the kids arrive, and the vast majority of men are not "extremely involved" especially not with very young kids. So unless you are ready to argue that almost everyone "picked the wrong father", then this is a social problem that cannot be solved by each woman just making better mate choices. There are quite simply not enough men like what you are describing out there to go around. The birth rate would totally plummet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

Most of the mom's here will not let the dad's be active and involved parents so its a non-issue.

LOL honey have you ever seen a man volunteer to potty-train his children?

Oh honey, you are just a bitter person who hates men because you cannot find a decent one. Yes, my husband helped PT our kids. He cooks, he cleans, he takes them to all the activities, he helps with school work, folds the laundry and much more. You can hate men all you want but many men are equal parents, some better.

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Anonymous wrote:Moms -- just wait until the checked out dads check back in when the kids are older so don't need the type of care as when they were little.
Dad sails in and all is forgiven or at the very least there is such a biological imperative that the kids yearning causes them to be ecstatic he's around.

It's tough and hurtful but you know it's in the kids best interest so you suck it up but it sucks. You did all the hard work but he's on equal footing.

Most of the mom's here will not let the dad's be active and involved parents so its a non-issue.

LOL honey have you ever seen a man volunteer to potty-train his children?