Anonymous
Post 09/24/2020 00:01     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

I'm not a huge fan girl, and only learned about her back in April or so. Guess what, I have three teenagers and I SOOOO related with her virtual schooling posts from last spring. It was a cluster F and my teens were exactly like hers. My 2020 Senior would have also tried to skip out on the graduation ceremony. Instead his was canceled entirely and we had a five minute graduation in our back yard.

Maybe you have really young kids, but I found her very relatable in the six months since I've read her posts.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 22:06     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think this kind of "confessing" is a pretty well known defense mechanism and think it can be very reinforcing. I admit my embarrassing behavior and put it out there publicly for you, I mock myself. In doing so I look self aware, i am in on the joke and shaping the story, and I can indulge my wish that by doing so, by mocking myself, you will judge me less harshly. I am also funny and charming, so you may find me endearing, we can maybe bond around it, etc. And I can feel less crappy about what I did and maybe even not think about it because your support gave me a little dopamine hit and I feel better. I am ok...Underneath it, there was often guilt and shame, but it got projected and i got my goodies from someone else to feel better. It's a very common, human thing to do.


I don't think it contributes to thinking more deeply or learning though, that's the problem. It has a, "oh well....this is how we are" quality that does not really allow for a whole lot of change, because you are not really thinking about why you might do that, if you want to change it, etc. It seems emotionally lazy. That's my issue with that kind of post.


I think you’re right — but what happens in her “confessions” is that her fan girls fall all over themselves to normalize, accept and defend toxic or harmful behavior.

She gained a lot of viral fame for writing her missives about the end of school year and basically refusing to hold herself or children accountable for assignments, permission slips, etc. While her writing style can be humorous, I saw teachers comment that end of year is hard for everyone and losing parent support sucks for them — and her followers bullied those women into silence.

Same when she made the bizarre post about her son’s graduation. He got up in the middle of the ceremony and walked out and she thought it was funny and “so him” and when people said it felt disrespectful it was quickly shut up.

This is just middle age Mean Girls with #blessed yeti cups.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 18:48     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:I think this kind of "confessing" is a pretty well known defense mechanism and think it can be very reinforcing. I admit my embarrassing behavior and put it out there publicly for you, I mock myself. In doing so I look self aware, i am in on the joke and shaping the story, and I can indulge my wish that by doing so, by mocking myself, you will judge me less harshly. I am also funny and charming, so you may find me endearing, we can maybe bond around it, etc. And I can feel less crappy about what I did and maybe even not think about it because your support gave me a little dopamine hit and I feel better. I am ok...Underneath it, there was often guilt and shame, but it got projected and i got my goodies from someone else to feel better. It's a very common, human thing to do.


I don't think it contributes to thinking more deeply or learning though, that's the problem. It has a, "oh well....this is how we are" quality that does not really allow for a whole lot of change, because you are not really thinking about why you might do that, if you want to change it, etc. It seems emotionally lazy. That's my issue with that kind of post.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 18:39     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

I think this kind of "confessing" is a pretty well known defense mechanism and think it can be very reinforcing. I admit my embarrassing behavior and put it out there publicly for you, I mock myself. In doing so I look self aware, i am in on the joke and shaping the story, and I can indulge my wish that by doing so, by mocking myself, you will judge me less harshly. I am also funny and charming, so you may find me endearing, we can maybe bond around it, etc. And I can feel less crappy about what I did and maybe even not think about it because your support gave me a little dopamine hit and I feel better. I am ok...Underneath it, there was often guilt and shame, but it got projected and i got my goodies from someone else to feel better. It's a very common, human thing to do.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 17:05     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Throwing things out of frustration is never acceptable. Agree that normalizing it is toxic.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 16:08     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She just posted on social media about how game night is so "competitive" that the scrabble board she threw the scrabble board against the wall.

Seems healthy.


I think one of things that people love about her is she normalizing concerning behavior rather than saying "I do this. It is not OK or healthy and I am getting help for that." Basically throwing a tantrum over a board game is well...disturbing. It's fine to admit it, but minimizing this by calling it "spicy" is like saying a kid who tantrums in elementary school and throws all his math manipulative onto the floor is "spirited." Admitting it good, but otherwise she is a poor role model if she can't see it's not OK and maybe this is just 1 of many signs she has anger management issues. Remember, this is what she actually shares as cute. What might she do behind closed doors when things don't go her way?


You're exactly right. It's the normalizing that is toxic.

Also, if YOU are suffering and broken-hearted about a blindsiding blow -- don't you think your children would be hurting as well? Maybe throwing shit can take a backseat?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 14:24     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe you guys are uptight about board games. JFC

She admitted to being upset at a game of Scrabble once in her life. She must be a psychotic mother. Call the police.

She threw a board game against the wall. That’s beyond being “upset at a game of scrabble”. But based on your post, you clearly have rage issues as well.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 14:17     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

I can't believe you guys are uptight about board games. JFC

She admitted to being upset at a game of Scrabble once in her life. She must be a psychotic mother. Call the police.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 13:19     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:She just posted on social media about how game night is so "competitive" that the scrabble board she threw the scrabble board against the wall.

Seems healthy.


I think one of things that people love about her is she normalizing concerning behavior rather than saying "I do this. It is not OK or healthy and I am getting help for that." Basically throwing a tantrum over a board game is well...disturbing. It's fine to admit it, but minimizing this by calling it "spicy" is like saying a kid who tantrums in elementary school and throws all his math manipulative onto the floor is "spirited." Admitting it good, but otherwise she is a poor role model if she can't see it's not OK and maybe this is just 1 of many signs she has anger management issues. Remember, this is what she actually shares as cute. What might she do behind closed doors when things don't go her way?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 12:49     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:I guess she finally was too “spicy”?

?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 12:49     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She just posted on social media about how game night is so "competitive" that the scrabble board she threw the scrabble board against the wall.

Seems healthy.

Eh. You must not live with a competitive family. This is the most dysfunction my family has, on game night. Someone storms off mad, sometimes a board is toppled. Cooler heads prevail, and we tease you mercilessly forever.

In real life everyone is calm and friendly. You'd never know how much we care about pointless board games.

Yea, I know people like you and they simmer with rage all the time and think the rest of us buy your “calm and friendly” personality. Tantruming over a board game is not a sign that someone is truly calm.

You don't know me at all. I do not have any simmering rage.

Be blessed.

🤷🏻‍♀️ Whatever you say.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 11:37     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She just posted on social media about how game night is so "competitive" that the scrabble board she threw the scrabble board against the wall.

Seems healthy.


Eh. You must not live with a competitive family. This is the most dysfunction my family has, on game night. Someone storms off mad, sometimes a board is toppled. Cooler heads prevail, and we tease you mercilessly forever.

In real life everyone is calm and friendly. You'd never know how much we care about pointless board games.

Yea, I know people like you and they simmer with rage all the time and think the rest of us buy your “calm and friendly” personality. Tantruming over a board game is not a sign that someone is truly calm.


You don't know me at all. I do not have any simmering rage.

Be blessed.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 11:27     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

I guess she finally was too “spicy”?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 11:24     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

I just went to her blog. Her About section is annoying.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2020 11:08     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She just posted on social media about how game night is so "competitive" that the scrabble board she threw the scrabble board against the wall.

Seems healthy.


Eh. You must not live with a competitive family. This is the most dysfunction my family has, on game night. Someone storms off mad, sometimes a board is toppled. Cooler heads prevail, and we tease you mercilessly forever.

In real life everyone is calm and friendly. You'd never know how much we care about pointless board games.


This whole thing is toxic. And the idea that her kids made her do it is straight up gaslighting. They are kids, you are their parent -- and right now the only parent they are able to interact with. Grow up.