Anonymous
06/06/2020 12:19
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I used to be deeply involved in political activism but sh!t like this is why I stopped. I was told not to cry “white tears,” to “center black voices,” to relinquish any leadership role I ever earned if challenged by a WOC. Also we were told WOC shouldn’t be asked to work for free, even when our organizations were volunteer lead and run. I saw mismanagement and even theft of fundraising dollars as interlopers overthrew actual leaders demanding their voices be “centered.”
Now I just worry about myself and my family.
+1. Interesting insight from someone who has actually been there and isn’t just spouting crap from the comfort of their home.
Ugh I really hope I’m not adding fuel to a fire. I still completely believe in the mission. While I’m white my kids and sibling are not, and I still believe police abuse is one of the most pressing issues of our time. But there are definitely people in this space trying to capitalize on white guilt and act out their aggression.
+ 1000. You're absolutely correct. It's getting ridiculous.
- Another white mother with a black child
We white women with children of color who are socially engaged probably all have stories of activists who are angry at our existence.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 12:12
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I used to be deeply involved in political activism but sh!t like this is why I stopped. I was told not to cry “white tears,” to “center black voices,” to relinquish any leadership role I ever earned if challenged by a WOC. Also we were told WOC shouldn’t be asked to work for free, even when our organizations were volunteer lead and run. I saw mismanagement and even theft of fundraising dollars as interlopers overthrew actual leaders demanding their voices be “centered.”
Now I just worry about myself and my family.
+1. Interesting insight from someone who has actually been there and isn’t just spouting crap from the comfort of their home.
Ugh I really hope I’m not adding fuel to a fire. I still completely believe in the mission. While I’m white my kids and sibling are not, and I still believe police abuse is one of the most pressing issues of our time. But there are definitely people in this space trying to capitalize on white guilt and act out their aggression.
+ 1000. You're absolutely correct. It's getting ridiculous.
- Another white mother with a black child
Anonymous
06/06/2020 10:48
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Cmon guys, this is a silly distraction. Focus on the goal.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 10:38
Subject: Re:White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:This list does not equal "the movement." It makes some valid point and other poorly worded. But the offense so many are taking is also interesting. Like you're surprised at the anger . People are angry!
If you want to be an ally, there are a ton of folks who have put work into making that possible in a way that will.hopefully make sense to you. Read books about whiteness, racism, inequality, educate yourselves. Support local government that supports inclusion. Do some reflection on your workplace practices. Talk to other white people about how to supply. Plenty of diverse social justice movements will benefit people of color, you don't have to go marching now . But please your tone policing around this and equating this list to "the movement" is not helping anyone.
Of course they are! They have a right to be! But they’re getting angry at their allies, which is ridiculous. This is and should be a black-led movement, but don’t ostracize and offend the people who want to help.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 09:28
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:Black woman here. Please let this list be a joke. I supported the Million Man March years ago by agreeing to substitute for a coworker who wanted to attend. That was a mistake. We have to be together. I will not participate in anything that endorses separation. There should not be any second-class citizens in a march for justice and equality. I don't care about the photo ops; the essence is paramount.[/quote
+1,000,000
Anonymous
06/06/2020 08:58
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Sounds about right. Except all I see on the news is white people marching. Very few POC.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 08:17
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:Black woman here. Please let this list be a joke. I supported the Million Man March years ago by agreeing to substitute for a coworker who wanted to attend. That was a mistake. We have to be together. I will not participate in anything that endorses separation. There should not be any second-class citizens in a march for justice and equality. I don't care about the photo ops; the essence is paramount.
I almost forgot about the March. I sure hope we don't have a repeat of that movement. We don't need more exclusion on the road to greater inclusion.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 07:59
Subject: Re:White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:This list does not equal "the movement." It makes some valid point and other poorly worded. But the offense so many are taking is also interesting. Like you're surprised at the anger . People are angry!
If you want to be an ally, there are a ton of folks who have put work into making that possible in a way that will.hopefully make sense to you. Read books about whiteness, racism, inequality, educate yourselves. Support local government that supports inclusion. Do some reflection on your workplace practices. Talk to other white people about how to supply. Plenty of diverse social justice movements will benefit people of color, you don't have to go marching now . But please your tone policing around this and equating this list to "the movement" is not helping anyone.
Most people have jobs, kids, problems, and lives. Only so much precious time to sit around reading books on “whiteness.” Some of you have some serious “time privilege.”
Anonymous
06/06/2020 07:39
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Come on people. It’s offense. Reverse who it was written for. Replace with any race. It’s inappropriate and offense. This is getting ridiculous.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 04:24
Subject: Re:White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Once again — if the civil rights organizations of the 60s could recruit white people to not only help, but assist in leading the movement, BLM can do so today.
You do not get it.
NP. The list is about behavior at protests. It's not about telling white people not to help/show up. It's about letting black people lead the movement.
I agree. It's their movement.
Says who? BLM? BS. If we really want racial equality, everyone should be welcome at the table.
White people are already at the table. Hell, we’ve owned the table. We made them build us a table. We’re already there - they just want a seat at the table. How can you not see that?
You’re not getting it. We’re in the system, but for the anti-racist movement to dismantle the system, we need to be an integral part of the anti-racist movement. We can’t be sidelined and have the movement succeed. White people at the highest levels of power have to be convinced.
Hell — who did MLK have to buddy up to? LBJ, a grizzly white Southerner who frankly was fairly racist in his own right. He had to get LBJ to become the ultimate ally.
Take a time out and come back and formulate a coherent argument.
Can you specify what was wrong with my argument?
You're going off-script. When you present reasonable arguments or data that fall outside of the script, you are accused by the group-"thinkers" on this page of being stupid or racist.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 03:14
Subject: White Folks Guide to Protesting
Black woman here. Please let this list be a joke. I supported the Million Man March years ago by agreeing to substitute for a coworker who wanted to attend. That was a mistake. We have to be together. I will not participate in anything that endorses separation. There should not be any second-class citizens in a march for justice and equality. I don't care about the photo ops; the essence is paramount.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 00:29
Subject: Re:White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:This list does not equal "the movement." It makes some valid point and other poorly worded. But the offense so many are taking is also interesting. Like you're surprised at the anger . People are angry!
If you want to be an ally, there are a ton of folks who have put work into making that possible in a way that will.hopefully make sense to you. Read books about whiteness, racism, inequality, educate yourselves. Support local government that supports inclusion. Do some reflection on your workplace practices. Talk to other white people about how to supply. Plenty of diverse social justice movements will benefit people of color, you don't have to go marching now . But please your tone policing around this and equating this list to "the movement" is not helping anyone.
Oh yeah, I forgot — we’re not allowed to ever criticize anything in relation to this movement. So sorry.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 00:26
Subject: Re:White Folks Guide to Protesting
This list does not equal "the movement." It makes some valid point and other poorly worded. But the offense so many are taking is also interesting. Like you're surprised at the anger . People are angry!
If you want to be an ally, there are a ton of folks who have put work into making that possible in a way that will.hopefully make sense to you. Read books about whiteness, racism, inequality, educate yourselves. Support local government that supports inclusion. Do some reflection on your workplace practices. Talk to other white people about how to supply. Plenty of diverse social justice movements will benefit people of color, you don't have to go marching now . But please your tone policing around this and equating this list to "the movement" is not helping anyone.
If you want to be an ally, there are a ton of folks who have put work into making that possible in a way that will.hopefully make sense to you. Read books about whiteness, racism, inequality, educate yourselves. Support local government that supports inclusion. Do some reflection on your workplace practices. Talk to other white people about how to supply. Plenty of diverse social justice movements will benefit people of color, you don't have to go marching now . But please your tone policing around this and equating this list to "the movement" is not helping anyone.
Anonymous
06/06/2020 00:13
Subject: Re:White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Once again — if the civil rights organizations of the 60s could recruit white people to not only help, but assist in leading the movement, BLM can do so today.
You do not get it.
NP. The list is about behavior at protests. It's not about telling white people not to help/show up. It's about letting black people lead the movement.
I agree. It's their movement.
Says who? BLM? BS. If we really want racial equality, everyone should be welcome at the table.
White people are already at the table. Hell, we’ve owned the table. We made them build us a table. We’re already there - they just want a seat at the table. How can you not see that?
You’re not getting it. We’re in the system, but for the anti-racist movement to dismantle the system, we need to be an integral part of the anti-racist movement. We can’t be sidelined and have the movement succeed. White people at the highest levels of power have to be convinced.
Hell — who did MLK have to buddy up to? LBJ, a grizzly white Southerner who frankly was fairly racist in his own right. He had to get LBJ to become the ultimate ally.
Take a time out and come back and formulate a coherent argument.
Can you specify what was wrong with my argument?
Anonymous
06/06/2020 00:08
Subject: Re:White Folks Guide to Protesting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Once again — if the civil rights organizations of the 60s could recruit white people to not only help, but assist in leading the movement, BLM can do so today.
You do not get it.
NP. The list is about behavior at protests. It's not about telling white people not to help/show up. It's about letting black people lead the movement.
I agree. It's their movement.
Says who? BLM? BS. If we really want racial equality, everyone should be welcome at the table.
White people are already at the table. Hell, we’ve owned the table. We made them build us a table. We’re already there - they just want a seat at the table. How can you not see that?
You’re not getting it. We’re in the system, but for the anti-racist movement to dismantle the system, we need to be an integral part of the anti-racist movement. We can’t be sidelined and have the movement succeed. White people at the highest levels of power have to be convinced.
Hell — who did MLK have to buddy up to? LBJ, a grizzly white Southerner who frankly was fairly racist in his own right. He had to get LBJ to become the ultimate ally.
Take a time out and come back and formulate a coherent argument.