Ugh, LA now has cases. My DD is scheduled to go there for an admitted students event in late April at a college that she hasn’t visited before. So an important visit.

Phoenix mid March? With a 5 year old and 2 year old. Not essential - leaning towards canceling. Thoughts? Don’t want to infect the in laws when we get home.

Re: San Antonio -- Are you healthy and relatively young? I wouldn't cancel. The State of Emergency is mostly attributable to Lackland/JBSA proximity and central role in receiving infected cruise ship passengers/evacuees, who are now being released. Yes, they will go through the airports and probably eat at a local restaurant or stay in a hotel. It is possible they could still get sick like that re-quarantined woman did after her release. If you're worried, wear a face mask during travel, disinfect surfaces you're going to touch, and wash your hands. Don't hang out at the Riverwalk.

Re: Seattle -- Are you healthy and relatively young? Going as a tourist or visiting friends/family? Not the best time to be touristing and I'd verify your friends/family aren't hanging out in hot zones or Pikes Place. People there are freaking out and I can't imagine it will be particularly fun in the city but plenty of safe outdoorsy stuff to do if you want to go. Sibling lives there and says there's no disinfectant/medical supplies/cleaning supplies/etc to be found anywhere...so BYO supplies and meds if you do go.

Anonymous wrote:The virus is already out there. They are going to eventually stop the quarantines for the same reason they don’t quarantine for the flu. The death rates are going to decrease dramatically as the virus spreads through areas with healthier citizens and better healthcare.

You guys are all going to tank the world economy with all this fear mongering.

COVID-19 has a 50% higher mortality rate than the common flu. And Europe has pretty good healthcare IMO - they're still paralyzed. But whatever enjoy your vacation.

The virus is already out there. They are going to eventually stop the quarantines for the same reason they don’t quarantine for the flu. The death rates are going to decrease dramatically as the virus spreads through areas with healthier citizens and better healthcare.

You guys are all going to tank the world economy with all this fear mongering.

So it turns out that NH patient who broke quarantine went to a Tuck Business School event. This confirms the worst stereotypes about 1) Darthmouth students/alums, and 2) Business School students/alums.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone on here is considering ANY non-essential travel. WHY RISK IT????

I can’t believe people are canceling their domestic spring break plans.

Do you think that China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots?

NP. I do not think China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots, but I think the "WHY RISK IT???" poster is not being rational. There are many risk inherent in any activity, including vacations. People take road trips (very risky), helicopter tours (risky), go ziplining (risky), take vacations to countries or cities with high-crime rates and/or unstable governments (risky, risky). I'm not sure that going to someplace that is not a hot spot is any more risky than any of that. Would I go to South Korea? No. Japan? Probably not. Europe outside Northern Italy.....not sure, waiting to see. Family wedding to a beach destination...almost certainly will go unless things really spiral out.
OTOH, I am trying to avoid the work related travel that is of the nature of "I'm not sure why we weren't doing this as a conference call to begin with."

That NYC-based lawyer just gave COVID-19 to his wife, his son, AND a neighbor. Still have no idea where he got it from...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/nyc-lawyer-with-coronavirus-in-severe-condition-health-department/

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said an initial review of the 50-year-old man's travels doesn't suggest any travel to China or other countries at the nexus of the outbreak, so authorities are treating it as a case of person-to-person spread.

So yeah, I think being careful about domestic travel is warranted.

No one knows where he got it. Could have been at the supermarket, during his commute, at his office.

That's the point. Why would a crowded beach or resort park with a bunch of kids/teens be any safer? It wouldn't. You're bringing 1,000s of people together in a central closed-in location for popular spring break destinations across the country. Its going to be a sh*tshow.

It wouldn't be safer, but it wouldn't be more dangerous. If you are cancelling your spring break travel plans in favor of quarantining yourself at home for a week or so, that may be safer, but are most people doing that? Or are they going to stay home and continue going to stores, the movies, museums, work... then what's the point of cancelling. As for me, I'm watching and waiting. I'm not sure what I'd do with my kids during their spring break if we cancelled our trip. If we stayed at home but continued going out to activities (and I'm really dreading being cooped up at home with them for a week), maybe not much difference.

+100. Not cancelling our domestic trip, since we don't plan on sequestering ourselves at home, and don't think being out and about here with young elementary kid will be any safer.

The point is you don't want to get stuck in a quarantine situation. Like shutting down a hotel for two weeks because a group of tourists from Italy was found to have COVID-19 the floor below you. Personally, I'd rather be stuck at home for two weeks than stuck in a hotel for two weeks, with no kitchen, laundry machine, toys, etc.

I still feel so bad for the cruise ship passengers who got stuck in 200 sqft interior cabin/box for TWO WEEKS with their teenagers...one of which still caught COVID-19.

They're on Day 29 of being quarantined (after Day 18 they were moved to a set of two hospital rooms).

I am going to Mexico for spring break unless I am under quarantine or there is an official warning saying Mexico is specifically unsafe.

Is this true about UVA? If so, would bet other schools will be doing the same.

Anonymous wrote:The Dean of students at UVA sent a letter to parents and students asking them not to travel overseas this break, which starts Friday

Simple CYA. Unless he is going to refund people their lost travel costs, this really has no teeth and isn't enforceable.

When airlines, cruise lines, and travel companies actually start offering refunds, I will know the US is ready to take this seriously.

The Dean of students at UVA sent a letter to parents and students asking them not to travel overseas this break, which starts Friday

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone on here is considering ANY non-essential travel. WHY RISK IT????

I can’t believe people are canceling their domestic spring break plans.

Do you think that China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots?

NP. I do not think China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots, but I think the "WHY RISK IT???" poster is not being rational. There are many risk inherent in any activity, including vacations. People take road trips (very risky), helicopter tours (risky), go ziplining (risky), take vacations to countries or cities with high-crime rates and/or unstable governments (risky, risky). I'm not sure that going to someplace that is not a hot spot is any more risky than any of that. Would I go to South Korea? No. Japan? Probably not. Europe outside Northern Italy.....not sure, waiting to see. Family wedding to a beach destination...almost certainly will go unless things really spiral out.
OTOH, I am trying to avoid the work related travel that is of the nature of "I'm not sure why we weren't doing this as a conference call to begin with."

That NYC-based lawyer just gave COVID-19 to his wife, his son, AND a neighbor. Still have no idea where he got it from...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/nyc-lawyer-with-coronavirus-in-severe-condition-health-department/

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said an initial review of the 50-year-old man's travels doesn't suggest any travel to China or other countries at the nexus of the outbreak, so authorities are treating it as a case of person-to-person spread.

So yeah, I think being careful about domestic travel is warranted.

No one knows where he got it. Could have been at the supermarket, during his commute, at his office.

That's the point. Why would a crowded beach or resort park with a bunch of kids/teens be any safer? It wouldn't. You're bringing 1,000s of people together in a central closed-in location for popular spring break destinations across the country. Its going to be a sh*tshow.

It wouldn't be safer, but it wouldn't be more dangerous. If you are cancelling your spring break travel plans in favor of quarantining yourself at home for a week or so, that may be safer, but are most people doing that? Or are they going to stay home and continue going to stores, the movies, museums, work... then what's the point of cancelling. As for me, I'm watching and waiting. I'm not sure what I'd do with my kids during their spring break if we cancelled our trip. If we stayed at home but continued going out to activities (and I'm really dreading being cooped up at home with them for a week), maybe not much difference.

+100. Not cancelling our domestic trip, since we don't plan on sequestering ourselves at home, and don't think being out and about here with young elementary kid will be any safer.

The point is you don't want to get stuck in a quarantine situation. Like shutting down a hotel for two weeks because a group of tourists from Italy was found to have COVID-19 the floor below you. Personally, I'd rather be stuck at home for two weeks than stuck in a hotel for two weeks, with no kitchen, laundry machine, toys, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone on here is considering ANY non-essential travel. WHY RISK IT????

I can’t believe people are canceling their domestic spring break plans.

Do you think that China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots?

NP. I do not think China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots, but I think the "WHY RISK IT???" poster is not being rational. There are many risk inherent in any activity, including vacations. People take road trips (very risky), helicopter tours (risky), go ziplining (risky), take vacations to countries or cities with high-crime rates and/or unstable governments (risky, risky). I'm not sure that going to someplace that is not a hot spot is any more risky than any of that. Would I go to South Korea? No. Japan? Probably not. Europe outside Northern Italy.....not sure, waiting to see. Family wedding to a beach destination...almost certainly will go unless things really spiral out.
OTOH, I am trying to avoid the work related travel that is of the nature of "I'm not sure why we weren't doing this as a conference call to begin with."

That NYC-based lawyer just gave COVID-19 to his wife, his son, AND a neighbor. Still have no idea where he got it from...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/nyc-lawyer-with-coronavirus-in-severe-condition-health-department/

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said an initial review of the 50-year-old man's travels doesn't suggest any travel to China or other countries at the nexus of the outbreak, so authorities are treating it as a case of person-to-person spread.

So yeah, I think being careful about domestic travel is warranted.

No one knows where he got it. Could have been at the supermarket, during his commute, at his office.

That's the point. Why would a crowded beach or resort park with a bunch of kids/teens be any safer? It wouldn't. You're bringing 1,000s of people together in a central closed-in location for popular spring break destinations across the country. Its going to be a sh*tshow.

It wouldn't be safer, but it wouldn't be more dangerous. If you are cancelling your spring break travel plans in favor of quarantining yourself at home for a week or so, that may be safer, but are most people doing that? Or are they going to stay home and continue going to stores, the movies, museums, work... then what's the point of cancelling. As for me, I'm watching and waiting. I'm not sure what I'd do with my kids during their spring break if we cancelled our trip. If we stayed at home but continued going out to activities (and I'm really dreading being cooped up at home with them for a week), maybe not much difference.

+100. Not cancelling our domestic trip, since we don't plan on sequestering ourselves at home, and don't think being out and about here with young elementary kid will be any safer.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone on here is considering ANY non-essential travel. WHY RISK IT????

I can’t believe people are canceling their domestic spring break plans.

Do you think that China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots?

NP. I do not think China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots, but I think the "WHY RISK IT???" poster is not being rational. There are many risk inherent in any activity, including vacations. People take road trips (very risky), helicopter tours (risky), go ziplining (risky), take vacations to countries or cities with high-crime rates and/or unstable governments (risky, risky). I'm not sure that going to someplace that is not a hot spot is any more risky than any of that. Would I go to South Korea? No. Japan? Probably not. Europe outside Northern Italy.....not sure, waiting to see. Family wedding to a beach destination...almost certainly will go unless things really spiral out.
OTOH, I am trying to avoid the work related travel that is of the nature of "I'm not sure why we weren't doing this as a conference call to begin with."

That NYC-based lawyer just gave COVID-19 to his wife, his son, AND a neighbor. Still have no idea where he got it from...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/nyc-lawyer-with-coronavirus-in-severe-condition-health-department/

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said an initial review of the 50-year-old man's travels doesn't suggest any travel to China or other countries at the nexus of the outbreak, so authorities are treating it as a case of person-to-person spread.

So yeah, I think being careful about domestic travel is warranted.

No one knows where he got it. Could have been at the supermarket, during his commute, at his office.

That's the point. Why would a crowded beach or resort park with a bunch of kids/teens be any safer? It wouldn't. You're bringing 1,000s of people together in a central closed-in location for popular spring break destinations across the country. Its going to be a sh*tshow.

It wouldn't be safer, but it wouldn't be more dangerous. If you are cancelling your spring break travel plans in favor of quarantining yourself at home for a week or so, that may be safer, but are most people doing that? Or are they going to stay home and continue going to stores, the movies, museums, work... then what's the point of cancelling. As for me, I'm watching and waiting. I'm not sure what I'd do with my kids during their spring break if we cancelled our trip. If we stayed at home but continued going out to activities (and I'm really dreading being cooped up at home with them for a week), maybe not much difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone on here is considering ANY non-essential travel. WHY RISK IT????

I can’t believe people are canceling their domestic spring break plans.

Do you think that China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots?

NP. I do not think China was mistaken in quarantining hot spots, but I think the "WHY RISK IT???" poster is not being rational. There are many risk inherent in any activity, including vacations. People take road trips (very risky), helicopter tours (risky), go ziplining (risky), take vacations to countries or cities with high-crime rates and/or unstable governments (risky, risky). I'm not sure that going to someplace that is not a hot spot is any more risky than any of that. Would I go to South Korea? No. Japan? Probably not. Europe outside Northern Italy.....not sure, waiting to see. Family wedding to a beach destination...almost certainly will go unless things really spiral out.
OTOH, I am trying to avoid the work related travel that is of the nature of "I'm not sure why we weren't doing this as a conference call to begin with."

That NYC-based lawyer just gave COVID-19 to his wife, his son, AND a neighbor. Still have no idea where he got it from...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/nyc-lawyer-with-coronavirus-in-severe-condition-health-department/

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said an initial review of the 50-year-old man's travels doesn't suggest any travel to China or other countries at the nexus of the outbreak, so authorities are treating it as a case of person-to-person spread.

So yeah, I think being careful about domestic travel is warranted.

No one knows where he got it. Could have been at the supermarket, during his commute, at his office.

That's the point. Why would a crowded beach or resort park with a bunch of kids/teens be any safer? It wouldn't. You're bringing 1,000s of people together in a central closed-in location for popular spring break destinations across the country. Its going to be a sh*tshow.