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Yep. And there is one in particular that’s like a dog with a bone...

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

She was obsessed with the Iowa family who got all sorts of “free stuff” with the birth of their sextuplets. Kate wanted attention and “free stuff.” She had been trying to market her twins for modeling before she became pregnant. I would not have put it cast her to try to market herself to tv shows. It’s like she did win the Lottery. Many lottery winners have money but have completely cut off family and friends. Just like Kate.

Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

Pre-fame, She had multiple nurses and frequent help from church members but drove them all away with her nasty attitude. She was not raising those kids when she was running around in hotels with her bodyguard. She wouldn't even let Jon take the kids while she was traveling and left them with nannies just to be spiteful

All of the families of multiples get help initially. But they will also all tell you that after awhile people stop coming to help you. You don't have to run them off, they have lives of their own to lead and they simply fade away. The level of help that they got at first wasn't going to last. Kate knew that. She also knew that Jon wasn't up to the task of watching all 8 by himself. Honestly, that is probably why she had a nanny at the house full time and the TLC crew coming in daily to help Jon with the kids. Jon was careless and didn't always use great judgement watching the kids and I think Kate was legitimately concerned about his ability to handle all 8 by himself. She knew that if she needed help, he absolutely did. But there is a price that came with all that help and Jon didn't want to pay it.....so he left to go wait tables and strip.

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

She was obsessed with the Iowa family who got all sorts of “free stuff” with the birth of their sextuplets. Kate wanted attention and “free stuff.” She had been trying to market her twins for modeling before she became pregnant. I would not have put it cast her to try to market herself to tv shows. It’s like she did win the Lottery. Many lottery winners have money but have completely cut off family and friends. Just like Kate.

Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

Pre-fame, She had multiple nurses and frequent help from church members but drove them all away with her nasty attitude. She was not raising those kids when she was running around in hotels with her bodyguard. She wouldn't even let Jon take the kids while she was traveling and left them with nannies just to be spiteful

All of the families of multiples get help initially. But they will also all tell you that after awhile people stop coming to help you. You don't have to run them off, they have lives of their own to lead and they simply fade away. The level of help that they got at first wasn't going to last. Kate knew that. She also knew that Jon wasn't up to the task of watching all 8 by himself. Honestly, that is probably why she had a nanny at the house full time and the TLC crew coming in daily to help Jon with the kids. Jon was careless and didn't always use great judgement watching the kids and I think Kate was legitimately concerned about his ability to handle all 8 by himself. She knew that if she needed help, he absolutely did. But there is a price that came with all that help and Jon didn't want to pay it.....so he left to go wait tables and strip.

He left as he didn't want to be on tv and have people constantly in his house. That's not unreasonable. He moved on with his life after he lost custody of his kids and only got very limited visitation. What is he supposed to do? Only so many times you can appeal and lose. She had the show paying attorneys. No way he was going to win or ever see his kids again.

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

She was obsessed with the Iowa family who got all sorts of “free stuff” with the birth of their sextuplets. Kate wanted attention and “free stuff.” She had been trying to market her twins for modeling before she became pregnant. I would not have put it cast her to try to market herself to tv shows. It’s like she did win the Lottery. Many lottery winners have money but have completely cut off family and friends. Just like Kate.

Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

Pre-fame, She had multiple nurses and frequent help from church members but drove them all away with her nasty attitude. She was not raising those kids when she was running around in hotels with her bodyguard. She wouldn't even let Jon take the kids while she was traveling and left them with nannies just to be spiteful

All of the families of multiples get help initially. But they will also all tell you that after awhile people stop coming to help you. You don't have to run them off, they have lives of their own to lead and they simply fade away. The level of help that they got at first wasn't going to last. Kate knew that. She also knew that Jon wasn't up to the task of watching all 8 by himself. Honestly, that is probably why she had a nanny at the house full time and the TLC crew coming in daily to help Jon with the kids. Jon was careless and didn't always use great judgement watching the kids and I think Kate was legitimately concerned about his ability to handle all 8 by himself. She knew that if she needed help, he absolutely did. But there is a price that came with all that help and Jon didn't want to pay it.....so he left to go wait tables and strip.

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

She was obsessed with the Iowa family who got all sorts of “free stuff” with the birth of their sextuplets. Kate wanted attention and “free stuff.” She had been trying to market her twins for modeling before she became pregnant. I would not have put it cast her to try to market herself to tv shows. It’s like she did win the Lottery. Many lottery winners have money but have completely cut off family and friends. Just like Kate.

Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

She took custody away from him and refused visitation. That is how she raised them. She took them away from him. She pimped the kids out to tv. Now that is far from a good parent. She is controlling and physically and verbally abusive. She literally abandoned a child at a residential facility and hid him from his father. Father had to go to court to find out where his son was and get custody. She couldn't even be bothered to show up for court. What kind of parent does that?

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

She was obsessed with the Iowa family who got all sorts of “free stuff” with the birth of their sextuplets. Kate wanted attention and “free stuff.” She had been trying to market her twins for modeling before she became pregnant. I would not have put it cast her to try to market herself to tv shows. It’s like she did win the Lottery. Many lottery winners have money but have completely cut off family and friends. Just like Kate.

Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

Pre-fame, She had multiple nurses and frequent help from church members but drove them all away with her nasty attitude. She was not raising those kids when she was running around in hotels with her bodyguard. She wouldn't even let Jon take the kids while she was traveling and left them with nannies just to be spiteful

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

She was obsessed with the Iowa family who got all sorts of “free stuff” with the birth of their sextuplets. Kate wanted attention and “free stuff.” She had been trying to market her twins for modeling before she became pregnant. I would not have put it cast her to try to market herself to tv shows. It’s like she did win the Lottery. Many lottery winners have money but have completely cut off family and friends. Just like Kate.

Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

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Anonymous wrote:I would imagine that Kate's desperation to make the whole reality t.v. show work stemmed from her realization that she had married and produced 8 kids with a complete and total moron. She had to support those babies.

They could have done it in a small house with both of them working. Many people do it just fine with large families.

Anonymous wrote:I would imagine that Kate's desperation to make the whole reality t.v. show work stemmed from her realization that she had married and produced 8 kids with a complete and total moron. She had to support those babies.

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

She was obsessed with the Iowa family who got all sorts of “free stuff” with the birth of their sextuplets. Kate wanted attention and “free stuff.” She had been trying to market her twins for modeling before she became pregnant. I would not have put it cast her to try to market herself to tv shows. It’s like she did win the Lottery. Many lottery winners have money but have completely cut off family and friends. Just like Kate.

Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

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Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?

Stripper father? He's a DJ and waiter or cook. He did one night with a male revue several years ago. ONS? He has been with this girlfriend for several years (5?). Neither Kate nor Jon were taking care of the 8 full time in the beginning. They had help, a lot of help.

I wish Beth would write a tell-all. Now that would be interesting.

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Again, look back at what Kate looked like when she did that first Discovery Health documentary. She was about as frump as frump could be. Why? Because she was taking care of 8 kids full time plus working on the weekends. Jon was spending his days at an IT job that he HAAATTTEEED.. But now he claims that he wanted his "normal life" back. So, ya know, the whole stripper thing, waiting tables and a bachelor pad for his ONS. Gimmee a break.

Kate is the one that provided for their kids. Kate is the one who raised their kids. And, now that the work is nearly done, Jon is back in the picture second guessing every damn thing that she did. Explain how sending the kids off to live with their stripper father would have been in those children's best interests?