Anonymous wrote:I read this when it first started but not the next 15 pages or so. Just a funny story. I have a very stable job and would be considered very well off in most of the country. Around here though, pretty average, just over 150K. I keep myself in relatively good shape and am an active parent to our children, do the coaching thing, help with chores, etc.

My wife and I were out at lunch one day and were seated next to two younger women who were talking loud enough to be overheard. Couldn't really be avoided, the seating was very close quarters. One had just broken up with a boyfriend I think, but the other did more of the talking. A lot of it revolved around wanting her boyfriend to get more serious with his life, stable job, etc. If I heard right, she and her parents had even found him a job but he wouldn't take it because they found it for him.

This woman was objectively good looking, nice features, the dress she was wearing was semi-modest and could have gotten her plenty of attention in any bar or club. I could not believe she had settled the way she sounded like she had.

I told my wife afterwards "Holy shit, I had no idea how much of a catch I am!" Simply by being an active, stable, okay looking guy. In fairness, my wife also has a very good job and is a very good parent, she is also very much a catch, but it was just shocking listening to these two talk. This thread reminded me of that lunch.

You married in your 20s? If you stayed single longer you would have seen the dating market flip dramatically in your 30s. Being a gentlemen, in decent shape and with a good job makes you stand out because almost all of those are married. My wife and I separated for a brief period of time and I was drowning in women during the break.

Anonymous wrote:Ladies, we are done being your meal ticket. Get a job like every adult.

Men, we are tired of taking care of a man/child AND our children AND working FT. Clean up after yourself, and take care of your children as well without another adult telling you or reminding you what needs doing. Yes, kids need more than junk food, shelter and clothing.. if you even pay attention to their clothing.

Ladies, we are done being your meal ticket. Get a job like every adult.

Anonymous wrote:These are InCel White men. Yes, they are very unattractive as mates, sexual partners or even marriage partners.

I guess they need to hit the community college instead of the gunrange?

This is definitely a thing that’s happening in small town America. The men are mostly NEET’s, or they have some dead end retail job or just do odd jobs here and there. The women see them (rightfully, IMO) as basically children, just another mouth to feed and support financially. A lot of them who are married or partnered will basically just quit working while the women work full time and also raise kids. Women would rather be single moms than married to a man-baby.

This. This is who the article is talking about. Not some ridiculously well compensated man who now is able to spend more time with his family.

I can think of 2 guys like this. One I went to high school with and am Facebook friends with him. He is always complaining how women don't appreciate good guys like him, they only want bad boys who will break their hearts. He works as a pizza delivery guy. Very religious - always posting conspiracy theories, flat earth stuff, Jesus, etc. He has two grown kids and they don't seem like the biggest winners either. He still lives in a small town. He can't understand why women don't date him.

The other guy I can think of is married to another ex-high school classmate of mine. He is unemployed and doesn't contribute to the household. He cheated on his wife and got the mistress pregnant but she did have a miscarriage. Granted, my ex-high school classmate isn't the brightest bulb either but she is incredibly sweet. She works low-paying jobs and that is it to support their family of 6. Unfortunately, her sons are being raised the same way. Aren't forced to help out at home, aren't getting an education, just directionless. Who - unless you feel like you need to get married to anyone and don't have the self-esteem to realize you can do better - would want to be married to men like that?

The article is talking about people like this. Hasn't this been a problem in the African-American community for quite some time? AA women saying there is a lack of good AA men to marry. Now it's moving to rural/lower class white men.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the last few years, I have witnessed a trend that is very surprising to me: ridiculously well compensated men who have some how achieved the ability to get MORE time with their families at the height of their careers. I am talking managing partners of major law firms, developers, high end lobbyists, CEOs of mid sized businesses and large publicly traded ones - all making seven figures and up - who are simply AROUND for their kids. Coaching, volunteering, attending games, taking sons and daughters on trips, driving them to and from stuff. All very successful men who absolutely make time above and beyond the norm to be present for their kids. They all also appear to have strong marriages and do a lot of things with their wives. I am sure they all have help to take a lot of the running around out of their lives and to get chores done but they don't appear to use the time saved for more work or golf or what have you. The new "goal" for the DC super achievers that I know is to use their time well with their families, careers, communities and their hobbies. These are not man-children at all.

OMG. 1). You keep posting this. You obviously have an agenda to push. 2). I live in an area with these law firm partners, doctors, CEOs, and while they may show up for the soccer game, they are working around the clock the rest of the week and frequently traveling. What you post above is a total fantasy. Please wake up, clueless SAHM.

If it was a SAHM, she would not be clueless, since she would know that she is doing all and making it possible for the dads to just make an appearance.
The men who are making this kind of money and showing up for their kids games are the ones who are overcompensated and are also dumping work on others at work. They are also usually divorced or with a WOHM and have family or nanny's taking care of their kids for all other stuff. Most of them show up for the games or pick up their kids from school and make a big F'ing show of Skyping to their meeting to let people think they are good dads. I know the losers who were making a ton of money and their wives still left them for their APs. Maybe they were just lousy in bed. Who can say!

I make mid 6 so maybe I don't count. I have coached most of the sports my children were involved with unless it was a sport I knew nothing about. Now that they are in high school I leave work early to watch their games. I also help out around the house. Modern technology has helped tons. I can get to the game answer any emails before I get out of my car, and then after the game is over while I wait to pick them up.
I also take a 3 day weekend all summer long because I can check my phone periodically. I don't skype at all, and don't take calls or check my email while I am at an event, those type of people are annoying.

I guess I was also never a gamer and I worked full time while at college so I managed to get farther ahead then some, which has now allowed me more free time.

I'm not at the game to impress anyone. My children are very important to me and enjoy spending time with them. For now they seem to enjoy spending time with me also. DW works part time now, was SAH while the kids were younger

I married a man in a blue collar job that makes much less than me. Guys that make my money would rather not marry or marry a secretary. I prefer loyalty and a wonderful human being over money because I'm fine being the bread winner.

I read this when it first started but not the next 15 pages or so. Just a funny story. I have a very stable job and would be considered very well off in most of the country. Around here though, pretty average, just over 150K. I keep myself in relatively good shape and am an active parent to our children, do the coaching thing, help with chores, etc.

My wife and I were out at lunch one day and were seated next to two younger women who were talking loud enough to be overheard. Couldn't really be avoided, the seating was very close quarters. One had just broken up with a boyfriend I think, but the other did more of the talking. A lot of it revolved around wanting her boyfriend to get more serious with his life, stable job, etc. If I heard right, she and her parents had even found him a job but he wouldn't take it because they found it for him.

This woman was objectively good looking, nice features, the dress she was wearing was semi-modest and could have gotten her plenty of attention in any bar or club. I could not believe she had settled the way she sounded like she had.

I told my wife afterwards "Holy shit, I had no idea how much of a catch I am!" Simply by being an active, stable, okay looking guy. In fairness, my wife also has a very good job and is a very good parent, she is also very much a catch, but it was just shocking listening to these two talk. This thread reminded me of that lunch.

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It doesn't matter how much the man earns. What it comes down to is, "Is he willing and wanting to be a fully engaged partner and parent". You can have a low earning man not want to fully engage, too. It's not about money. It's about the man.

Yet multiple women have written in this thread: it’s about money.

No.. women have stated that if they can't be the default parent, then at least be the default income earner.

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Anonymous wrote:This is definitely a thing that’s happening in small town America. The men are mostly NEET’s, or they have some dead end retail job or just do odd jobs here and there. The women see them (rightfully, IMO) as basically children, just another mouth to feed and support financially. A lot of them who are married or partnered will basically just quit working while the women work full time and also raise kids. Women would rather be single moms than married to a man-baby.

It’s like a woman without a vagina!!

What is a NEET?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the last few years, I have witnessed a trend that is very surprising to me: ridiculously well compensated men who have some how achieved the ability to get MORE time with their families at the height of their careers. I am talking managing partners of major law firms, developers, high end lobbyists, CEOs of mid sized businesses and large publicly traded ones - all making seven figures and up - who are simply AROUND for their kids. Coaching, volunteering, attending games, taking sons and daughters on trips, driving them to and from stuff. All very successful men who absolutely make time above and beyond the norm to be present for their kids. They all also appear to have strong marriages and do a lot of things with their wives. I am sure they all have help to take a lot of the running around out of their lives and to get chores done but they don't appear to use the time saved for more work or golf or what have you. The new "goal" for the DC super achievers that I know is to use their time well with their families, careers, communities and their hobbies. These are not man-children at all.

OMG. 1). You keep posting this. You obviously have an agenda to push. 2). I live in an area with these law firm partners, doctors, CEOs, and while they may show up for the soccer game, they are working around the clock the rest of the week and frequently traveling. What you post above is a total fantasy. Please wake up, clueless SAHM.

If it was a SAHM, she would not be clueless, since she would know that she is doing all and making it possible for the dads to just make an appearance.
The men who are making this kind of money and showing up for their kids games are the ones who are overcompensated and are also dumping work on others at work. They are also usually divorced or with a WOHM and have family or nanny's taking care of their kids for all other stuff. Most of them show up for the games or pick up their kids from school and make a big F'ing show of Skyping to their meeting to let people think they are good dads. I know the losers who were making a ton of money and their wives still left them for their APs. Maybe they were just lousy in bed. Who can say!

These are InCel White men. Yes, they are very unattractive as mates, sexual partners or even marriage partners.

I guess they need to hit the community college instead of the gunrange?

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is there has always been a shortage, but now women don’t need to rely on a man to survive. Easier to work than be married to a loser.

This

+1

Man here. Nothing wrong with seeking out someone on the basis of "economic attractiveness". Most that fail do so because of money issues, if studies are to be believed. Seeking out someone who can adequately contribute to the life you want is simply trying to solve that problem from the get-go.

My wife and I are about equal in terms of income, and although I would have been ok with her making less, if her goal was to be a SAH wife then that would have been an instant deal-breaker to me. I wanted an attractive woman with a great personality who also contributed to our financial success. I had to look around longer than some, but I finally found her. We're both big believers in equality.

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That's because spending time with your kids is now a status symbol. More so than a new Mercedes. What is most valuable to those guys? Time

Good God. Guys do something right and you still bitch.

They are never satisfied.

Anonymous wrote:My husband does reasonably well financially (~750k)

Lol